ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Writer Teases KANG DYNASTY Easter Eggs; "Listen Closely" (Exclusive)

ANT-MAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA Writer Teases KANG DYNASTY Easter Eggs; "Listen Closely" (Exclusive)

Considering that Jeff Loveness is behind both Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania and Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, we were curious to know whether he left any unexpected Easter Eggs in the Ant-Man threequel.

By RohanPatel - Mar 04, 2023 04:03 PM EST

With Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania enjoying another solid weekend at the global box office, we recently caught up with Emmy Award-winning screenwriter Jeff Loveness (Rick and MortyJimmy Kimmel Live!) to get a little bit of insight into the intriguing dynamic between Kang the Conqueror (Jonathan Majors) and Janet van Dyne (Michelle Pfeiffer), as well as whether this film may have had a few hidden Easter Eggs for his next project: Avengers: The Kang Dynasty

While the trailers previewed an epic struggle between Kang and Scott Lang (Paul Rudd), the Conqueror actually spent a good chunk of his screentime opposite Janet, with flashback scenes setting up their friendship and subsequent betrayal, followed by their reunion in the present. 

Throughout all of their encounters, Kang seemed to think quite highly of Janet and, at one point in time, was quite focused on fulfilling his promise to get her out of the Quantum Realm. When we pressed Loveness on this interesting dynamic, he elaborated at length about who he initially saw Kang as, telling me: 

"Absolutely, great question, like that, to me, was what really sets him apart from other MCU villains. - And, as just a side point, I'm a big X Men guy, I loved it so much, and the best thing about X Men is Magneto and his relationship with Charles Xavier. And the fact of that these are brothers, these guys love each other, and no matter what happens, they will never forget that they were the only other person they had at one point.

So, I thought to do almost this shipwreck drama that I found to be really interesting. Someone like Kang the Conqueror, he has to be humbled in a way like Napoleon after he'd gotten defeated at Waterloo or turned back from Moscow and exiled or say if Julius Caesar survived his assassination by 50 other Julius Caesars and was sent away. I wanted to really show a Kang who'd been humbled and who was broken and who was very vulnerable. That felt like a really good opportunity to really humanize this nigh-omnipotent character.

And then you can see, if you watch the movie, there's a small moment where Janet, in her flashback, is offering him water and she's kind of cradling him a little bit, and you just see in Jonathan's eyes, this look of almost guilt, that he's being treated with mercy.

In my head, as the writer, I'm like, this is the first time in thousands of years, hundreds of years, who knows how long, that someone has looked at Kang and not known who he was and this is the first time in his life he's ever been able to be a stranger to someone and he's been treated like a regular human being and someone is like giving him water and being tender and merciful towards him and it's the first chance he's had to actually be a scientist again, for the first time in hundreds of years, and sadly, it's all built on this dark lie.

But by the time Janet - and you see in that conversation they have, he's not lying to her. It's like he finally through Janet realizes the beauty of a small life and time, and he sees how much she just wants to see her daughter again. In Greek mythology, if a God was disguised, and a peasant was kind to them, they would give them a gift, or you see that all across grandiose storytelling, or the emperor would be disguised and go amongst the people to see if he was revered.

It felt like a really good opportunity for Kang the Conqueror to be a human and to see that this person was worth saving and worth being a friend. Then of course, it all kind of comes out, and you see the guilt in his eyes too, because, at the end of the day, she doesn't understand what he has to do, and he can't turn back from his crusade, and that's kind of where that schism starts.

Long answer, but I just really wanted to give Kang a visceral human connection to someone else, and this felt like a good way to do it."

With Quantumania in the rearview mirror and his focus now firmly on Avengers: The Kang Dynasty, it's fair to wonder whether Loveness managed to leave any Easter Eggs for fans that may not be able to be fully appreciated until the next Avengers blockbuster storms into theaters in 2025. When we asked him about the possibility, he reveals, 

"I think so. I would listen closely to some of Kang's lines, especially when he's talking to Janet and especially when he's talking to Scott. You don't want to spell it all out because there are a lot of movies to go and you want to breadcrumb it a little bit, but he's not a liar. He may have had the right idea about stuff."

If you still haven't seen the film, make sure to check out our review HERE!



Super-Hero partners Scott Lang (Paul Rudd) and Hope van Dyne (Evangeline Lilly) return to continue their adventures as Ant-Man and the Wasp. Together, with Hope’s parents Janet van Dyne (Michelle Pfeiffer) and Hank Pym (Michael Douglas), and Scott’s daughter Cassie Lang (Kathryn Newton), the family finds themselves exploring the Quantum Realm, interacting with strange new creatures and embarking on an adventure that will push them beyond the limits of what they thought possible.

Directed by Peyton Reed and produced by Kevin Feige, p.g.a. and Stephen Broussard, p.g.a., “Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania” also stars Jonathan Majors as Kang, David Dastmalchian as Veb, Katy O'Brian as Jentorra, William Jackson Harper as Quaz and Bill Murray as Lord Krylar. The sci-fi adventure opens in theaters on Feb. 17, 2023.

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Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 3/4/2023, 4:14 PM
"With Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania enjoying another solid weekend at the global box office"

It's pretty much stalled out with $373 million worldwide against a $200 million dollar budget. It will likely finish under $500 million ww, making it the lowest grossing Ant Man movie even though it has the highest budget.

The movie is a huge critical and financial flop for Marvel. There's been nothing "solid" about it's box office performance.
MotherFuckerJon
MotherFuckerJon - 3/4/2023, 4:32 PM
I don't want this dude near the next avengers movie.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 3/4/2023, 9:08 PM
@HydraB0b - He's already writing the script.

TheVandalore
TheVandalore - 3/4/2023, 9:34 PM
@HydraB0b - im convinced Peyton Reed is the problem.
Origame
Origame - 3/4/2023, 4:33 PM
Ok, that's really showing the problem with Kang in this movie.

Look, having your villain being humbled like this can be rather fascinating. However, this was the movie to establish him as a threat for the Kang dynasty. Him being humbled should've been saved for later, like that opening battle with Thanos in endgame.

Now imagine if Kang was introduced in a Thor movie. And defeating him was a constant uphill battle that resulted in him losing an arm in order to finally kill him. Then the threat of the council of Kang would've been so much greater.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/4/2023, 5:26 PM
@Origame - My thoughts exactly.

"I wanted to really show a Kang who'd been humbled and who was broken and who was very vulnerable. That felt like a really good opportunity to really humanize this nigh-omnipotent character."

So you're showing the big bad, Thanos level threat for the first time, and you're hamstringing him right out of the box.

Not a good idea.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/4/2023, 6:55 PM
@CorndogBurglar - And what if now he comes back with pure rage and zero regard for life all because he was humbled by a man who talks to ants? Wouldn't that make his character development more solid knowing we saw where his rage is coming from??
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 3/4/2023, 7:47 PM
@SonOfAGif - Maybe. But why on earth would you want the first impression people get is that he's weak? There's so much risk there. You risk running people off. You risk people being soured on the character before he even gets going.

Basically, all the things that people are complaining about him? That's what you risk.
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/4/2023, 4:38 PM
Another solid weekend box office

Batmangina
Batmangina - 3/4/2023, 4:43 PM
This guy sucks. MCU is DOA
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 3/4/2023, 5:02 PM
It bothers me how much hate this guy and Michael Waldron get, when screenwriters are like the lowest point on the totem pole, especially on tentpole films and especially, ESPECIALLY on MCU films. People blame "the Rick and Morty writers" instead of the guy who decided the creative direction and approved all the major decisions:

KEVIN. FEIGE.

He gets all the praise when shit goes right but none of the blame when things aren't. The major creative decisions and the tone of the films are not decided by the directors, much less the screenwriters, but Marvel. He picks "Rick and Morty writers" precisely because they've gotten like one credit on a successful show and they will write whatever Feige tells them.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 3/4/2023, 5:29 PM
@DalekCraigWasson -
RIP Kevin Feige …


Killed by the online comic book community
Repian
Repian - 3/4/2023, 5:05 PM
Feige, why don't you do anything? Feige, say goodbye to this guy...
DalekCraigWasson
DalekCraigWasson - 3/4/2023, 5:22 PM
@Repian - For doing what Feige wanted in the first place? The buck stops with Feige. These Rick and Morty writers with two credits to their name are scapegoats in the firing line. They have no creative control and the directors barely have more. If you disliked Quantumania, blame Feige, not Loveness.
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