Question About Thor's Fighting Technique In THE AVENGERS

@WombRaider

The reason I ask, because the one epic shot of Thor decking the hulk in the mouth I believe sent the hulk onto the ground. I thought he had enough time to put it on his chest.

@Knightrider

As for the hammer sliding off, I thought it couldn't be moved unless Thor moved it. That was the question I had, was in the comics can it defy gravity? Would the Hulk been able to turn sideways even in free fall?

I know these are silly questions, but I am very, very bored tonight at work.

I thought it couldn't be lifted, once gravity takes over you just move out the way as you fall.

Great point Knightrider, I never thought about that in regards to the hella carrier. It would be funny if Thor was sitting in the chair, placed his hammer down, then all of the a sudden the ship started a slow descent back to the ground.

Yeah, I don't ask this because I think it deters from the movie. It's just a fun question I was thinking about, and is not meant to offend hardcore fans. However, there will be some that will become incredibly upset, and call this knit picking or whatever. It's just a silly question, and I'm hoping someone has a reference from the comics that can provide some insight lol.

One part I did love, is that when Thor was fighting Hulk, he called for his hammer and had to wait for it. For some reason that was just awesome. Despite all the fantastical elements we are watching, real world physics still apply when he is summoning his hammer.

I wonder where it was, did it smash through people and walls to get to him or did it spin around corners dodging people before arriving. However I wish my house keys were like that always forgetting them, wish could just hold my hand out and they came to me.

Was a great fight scene between the two.

Yeah, these are just fun debates, however some people will take that is we are hating on the movie when I really enjoyed it.

haha, yeah. Imagine being a janitor, or some low level technician on the ship. You're doing your job, minding your own business, when all of a sudden a hammer comes crashing through a wall and takes you out. Or, if my theory on his hammer is correct, that you can't slide out of the way once it pushes on you, I thought it would be funny if just a slew of mangled people arrived with his hammer.

I agree a Superman Green Lantern fight would be epic. I just can't wait to see a Superman fight done right. People may hate Zach Snyder (I personally don't), but the dude can direct and action scene, and the man of steel is in good hands with him.

Yeah I think Zack gets an unfair bad wrap, Sucker Punch he wrote, and perhaps he should stick to directing, I know people slag off Watchmen for me he did a great job of putting a Comicbook on screen, almost panel for panel, but for some that isn't what they want and Watchmen is such a difficult book to put on the big screen.

So he isn't writing this and will just be doing his thing behind the camera, so hopefully the script has the action in it to really let Zack do some amazing action shots.

Yeah, wouldn't that just ruin your day, 1 day from retirement and Thor's hammer breaks your spine, no need for Bane here comes Thor's hammer. Haha

As much as I loved him waiting for the hammer I always wondered where was it? Had he put it down to take dump and just left it there.

@JaySin

Yeah, it seemed like he was out of energy? Remember he reached for it but it didn't come to his hand so he picked it up. Then it showed him getting ready by summoning lightening.

One question what is the range on that baby. I mean could Thor be ANYWHERE on the planet and all he has to do is stick his hand out to summon it?

In the scene where Thor was looking for the hammer, I took it as him being in a bit of "shell shock" and as an alternate hypothesis as one where he was questioning his own worth. Was his intentions and current self worthy of the hammer. As it were, he was able to wield it. That is an interesting concept, that if Thor ever does or becomes something that is not worthy of the hammer it can then not be wielded. This was a moment where his intentions and mindset were subtly shown. This also has happened to him and Beta Ray Bill in the comics on occasion.

@RidiculousFanBoyDemands
Im not sure of having a chart system to go by would be a very good idea simply because it would take away from unexpected actions. For example Hulk is stronger than Captain America but in a fight wouldnt there be probabilities such as shield agility smarts vs hulk brute strength. Having a chart would only make a fight match obvious. unless thor is on odin power level..plus I believe thats why there are so many debates on who would win "Hulk vs superman". Even though hulk is classified as " STRONGEST THER IS" there are no definetes ...Interesting to see when he fights juggernaut. I think it usually just how the story is written..but my money is usually on hulk...GO MARVEL

@Jojo - Perfect take on why Thor didn't just pick up Mjolnir, or summon it to his hand. Thor wasn't sure his intentions were noble at that time.

@Ridiculous - another contributor (Knossis) had another post on a previous entry that talked about the power structure. I haven't looked it up, but I suspect the power levels would be:

1. Hulk - "STRONGEST ONE THERE IS". Remember, he was able to take on the Chitauri blasting him with everything they had, and he still was standing, albeit a little worn out.

2. Thor - if Knossis (and the book he read are canon/accurate), then Thor, as an otherworldly being/God, if he can lift 100 tons, then he surely can match the Hulk for strength. That's why, when you see Thor in battle with the Hulk, he isn't defeated, and barely has a scratch on him. Thor's smile when he is summoning Mjolnir says "now this is a worthy opponent". Thor also, when fighting Iron Man, even with "magical lightning" augmented armor, was not only shown crushing Iron Man's armor with his bare hands, but also, with the head butt, Iron Man moved Thor a little bit, but Thor sent Iron Man quite the distance with the return head butt, denting his helmet in the process.

3. Loki - again, if Knossis is correct, then Loki, being able to lift 50 tons, then, while he is not as strong as Thor, he still is very strong. Remember, he is an Asgardian/otherworldly being/god, and thus, much like Thor, is much stronger than human, even a human in peak physical condition, i.e. Cap. Recall that Loki in Stuttgart not only took on ballistic fire from Black Widow in the Quinjet, but, even more remarkable was that Loki took on Iron Man's repulsors, without a scratch. That just shows that Loki and Thor have a different skin density, much like Superman. Also, recall that Cap, talking with Stark aboard the Quinjet, says, "That guy packs a wallop!"

4. Iron Man - human encased in Titanium alloy. While Tony Stark wouldn't be able to put up much of a fight as a normal human, his alter-ego is a different story.

5. Captain America - human at peak physical condition. Obviously, no match for the Hulk or Asgardian gods, however, he certainly had no problem fighting the Chitauri in hand-to-hand combat. Also, he wounds, and although Cap doesn't have a "mutant healing factor" like Wolverine, he does have the physical cellular ability for regeneration, as evidenced in the destroyed bar scene in CA:TFA.

Very good takes, @Aztec!

I feel you, @Aztec. I am of Norwegian and Dutch descent, so I have an already strong connection to the "God of Thunder". Cap is #2 on my "favorite" list, a lot of that is because of what he stands for. And, yes, I am unopologetically American. And, like you, I have been reading, and collecting comics for a looooooong time. About 38 years (I'm almost 48 - a "geezer", kinda like gusto, lol!).

I just want to point out that Hulk couldn't lift Mjolnir in the Helicarrier scene. The tecnic Thor used in his solo movie is just unpractical.

I was asking myself the same question. Why he couldn't summon mjornir. He didn't do anything to be unworthy this time. It doesn't make any sense, right?

Well after watching it for the third time I come out with a theory. He didn’t try to summon it after the cage crash.

How I get that? Well, It was a dub version and the translation killed most of the jokes so I started to pay attention to the visuals instead. And there are theses 2 scenes with no dialogue, no FXs and only the essential CGI.

1st scene: Loki's hesitating hand over the expel button, Thor's disbelieve face behind the glass. Loki's statement “ I'm not longer who I used to be” pushing the button.

2nd scene: Thor's walk across the field is not in searching of mjolnir, is his duel for a lost brother. The open hand staying over the hammer is the final mourn. The fist is the resolution. Lifting up mjolnir is him saying “Loki, what you've done is wrong, you'll pay for it. And It's me who will take you down ”

I may add that Loki didn't give him any options. The Hulk, the only treat, is lost at this point in the movie, and the rest of the team and world are just insects in power comparison.

You just gotta love this man, I mean Joss Whedon. In the first scene he portrayed the Brother's relationship better than many comics and in the second he shows us the inflection point that leaves them in opposite sides of the moral balance. And he did it in less than 12 seconds.

Did any of you guys notice Bruce's face and action after the helicarrer fight? I saw the movie again for the fourth time today and noticed that after Thor uppercut Hulk with mjolnir, sure it stunned Hulk a little but but after Hulk crashlanded and turned into Brucehe was rubbing his jaw and wincing. On top of that the way he was talking to that security guard...he was barely able to open is mouth. It looked like he was hurt. Anyone else notice this? Any thoughts?

Don't know if anyone pointed this out but in the 'Fear Itself' story arc cap picks up Thors hammer and uses it.

Ofcourse it's not easy for Thor just plant his hammer on everything his fighting against, this is not some finishing-move either and Hulk must be knocked out to get chance to do this :)

Good comments here, but i would like to add that why some here think Iron man was "just human" opponent against that fight scene for Thor? Iron man is very strong and fast, also Thor really did not know what to expect from Stark. Also Iron man wanted to measure Thor, because he was pissed. Remember how Iron man just crashed into Jet interiors when he was fixing it earlier and restarted that motor etc. He is very strong, but ofcourse Thor was not giving it all, but it is very different to fight against huge Frost-giants or Hulk then against Ironman.