BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Writer Explains [SPOILER]'s Surprise Return In The Ancestral Plane

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Writer Explains [SPOILER]'s Surprise Return In The Ancestral Plane

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever writer Joe Robert Cole has reflected on one of the movie's biggest cameos, explaining the decision to have them appear during a scene set in Wakanda's Ancestral Plane...

By JoshWilding - Nov 22, 2022 11:11 AM EST
Source: Rolling Stone

While it wasn't exactly a huge surprise, one of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever's coolest moments came when Michael B. Jordan reprised the role of Erik Killmonger. Many fans had hoped the villain somehow survived his apparent death in Black Panther, though the sequel made it clear he's now at rest and causing trouble in the Ancestral Plane. 

When Shuri consumes the Heart-Shaped Herb, it's Killmonger who is waiting for her there in place of T'Challa or Queen Ramonda. The former Black Panther attempts to influence her to continue heading down the dark path he was once on, though she later rejects his advice after briefly seeing her mother.

Talking to Rolling Stone, Black Panther: Wakanda Forever writer Joe Robert Cole opened up on the decision to bring Killmonger back for a cameo in the sequel. 

"We always wanted to have Michael return, and I feel like it was always going to be in the ancestral plane with Shuri having taken the potion," he explains. "The question was always like, how do you achieve the thing I think that you’re talking about? How do you make it more than just more than just, everyone’s excited because Michael’s amazing, and the character’s amazing? How is it relevant to Shuri’s journey and become a pivot point for her character?"

"Then if you think about it, [in the first movie] his journey was about vengeance as well, and anger and frustration. That’s a part of what we tried to lay in with her early on, the anger of losing someone, the sense of loss. And then how losing her mother would escalate her feelings of wanting vengeance."

"We just tried to build on that, so that he is presenting her with a choice of: Is she going to move towards the direction that Killmonger would move? Or is she going to do something different?" the writer adds. "The idea was to successfully build the stakes for her so that would resonate. So it would feel earned that she would feel that sort of [yearning for] vengeance."

Cole would go on to explain that Killmonger's return also played into the bigger picture of what's happening in Wakanda, and how his invasion is what got T'Challa to look outward beyond his nation. Up until that point, Ramonda had been far more isolationist than her son but, in this movie, she saves Riri Williams, an African-American teenager. 

"There is an argument that prior to Killmonger, that might not have happened," he adds. "So we're able to make that scene not only relevant to Shuri’s character, but also relevant to the nation of Wakanda."

That's certainly an interesting way of looking at things, and a very valid argument. It seems doubtful we'll see Killmonger again, though those of you anxious for more of Jordan's standout MCU villain can always see him get a major power increase over in What If...? on Disney+.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is now playing in theaters. 

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/22/2022, 6:38 AM
So I don't know if anyone else noticed, but...

In the comics the person most famous for fighting Namor is the Human Torch (whether Jim Hammond or Johnny Storm). MBJ played Human Torch in Fant4stic and when he's talking about the fire (the rage) that he and Shuri share, there is actual fire all around them in the
ancestral plane.
Then when she fights Namor, her finishing move is fire. For a moment half his body is on fire (a possible nod to Earth X).

Of course the fire serves a symbolic purpose key to the emotional arc of the movie, but it's also a cool way for Shuri to be a stand-in for Human Torch in these proceedings.

She's also kind of a stand in for Sue Storm in that Namor absconds with her to his kingdom and essentially offers her the same deal he offers Sue. Namor tells Sue that if she'll be his bride he won't attack Manhattan; He tells Shuri that if they form an alliance (a suggestively romantic alliance, since he straight-up, no-caps gives her jewellery) he won't attack Wakanda.

I suppose, since she's already overtly a stand-in for Sue and Johnny that you could also say she's kind of Reed Richards too. For a time, T'Challa and Storm replace Reed and Sue on the FF. This is fitting due to both their power-couple status and the fact that T'Challa is one of the only people with an intellect that rivals Reed, but in the MCU it's Shuri that has the intellect not T'Challa.

I can't say that she has anything in common with The Thing though. If anyone is analogous to the ever-loving blue-eyed Thing, it's M'Baku. If he'd said "It's clobbering time!" at any point in the film, it wouldn't have even seemed out of place.
KNIGHT3OOO
KNIGHT3OOO - 11/22/2022, 11:18 AM
@ObserverIO - "YIBAMBE!" is what she had in common with Ben Grimm similar to his "It's clobbering time!" as well as her rage.
dragon316
dragon316 - 11/22/2022, 11:36 AM
@ObserverIO - I knew about human torch fought namor more than anyone back then but not big fan of marvel as Ian with dc comics I haven’t saw black panther yet I can’t comment on movie parts
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/22/2022, 11:15 AM
Lil cousin
thewanderer
thewanderer - 11/22/2022, 12:38 PM
@GhostDog - one of the best scenes of the movie and worked perfectly with what Shuri was going through.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 11/22/2022, 11:17 AM
I like when they introduced Nakia they portray her all cultured, speaking different languages helping little kids with tutoring, then as soon as she shows up to Atlantis she starts blasting non military personnel with a wakandan shotgun no questions asked starting a war that could have initially been easily avoided at that point with some talking and understanding. I thought it was interesting nobody talks about that or maybe i’m missed something.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/22/2022, 11:23 AM
@Matchesz - you missed something because Namor already said he wasn't letting RiRi go, and that was final. He also said if Wakanda didn't help him, he would start the war with them first.

Nakia didn't know anything about their somewhat cordial meeting; she just knew their princess was kidnapped. Nakia objected to going twice.

You may have missed a lot
GhostDog
GhostDog - 11/22/2022, 11:26 AM
@Matchesz - all she knew was that Shuri was kidnapped. The country just lost its king. She was INSTRUCTED to get her back by any means. She did what she was supposed to do.
TyrantBossMedia
TyrantBossMedia - 11/22/2022, 11:24 AM
Killmonger being in the ancestral plane didn't make sense, especially him giving advice to Shuri.

What they should have done and it would have been incredibly impactful, would have been to deep fake Chadwick Boseman's face (with his family's permission of course) and have HIM talking to Shuri in the ancestral plane.

You want emotion......there's your emotional impact.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 11/22/2022, 11:25 AM
One of my favorite moments in the film.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 11/22/2022, 11:26 AM
I like how betrayed she felt in that scene. The whole movie there were sprinkles of her not believing in a higher power, but when she went into the plane she was hoping the higher power was real and when she didn't see her father or T'Challa was even more angry than before.

That grief had her at a loss of faith
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 11/22/2022, 11:46 AM
I used to love the sword of Shannara books by Terry Brooks, and his rip off of Sauron was defeated early on, but brought back as sort of a force ghost instead of a hero, so I immediately thought of that, while watching Wakanda forever, not in a bad way, it made it more fun for me.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 11/22/2022, 12:56 PM
Unneeded cameo if you ask me. They could’ve left him out of the movie and it would be the same. Should’ve used that cameo money on making an extra action scene with the new Panther that we only got to see in the last 20 minutes of the film.
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