CAPTAIN MARVEL: Marvel Comics Hypes Up Carol Danvers' New Look On Awesome Variant Covers

@VictorAlonzo - What ^^^ said

@PlusUltra - since I read the old comics and got to the end of them.

Also, while he's been dead, his presence has been felt since then, such as the aforementioned secret invasion, him being visited by the silver surfer, and him and several other dead characters coming back in the 2010s.

@Origame - The legacy of Mar-Vell is very definitely not ignored in Captain Marvel comics. If anything it’s referenced too much. And unlike other “Captain Marvels” Carol actually knew Mar-Vell. She’s always trying to honor his legacy.

@TheUnworthyThor - yeah, they kinda have to when he's literally the reason she both has her powers and refers to herself as captain marvel.

But my point is the overall brand.

@PlusUltra - a billion dollar movie that only got there because the post credit for infinity war teased that movie would be important for endgame.

Her comics are selling terribly. Last time we talked about this you tried justifying her numbers being at 91th.

Jesus dude, I'm saying I missed him being captain marvel. And maybe I miss dick Grayson as Robin. So what? And with the constant reboots we'll probably get him back as robin.

Well time means sh!t. It's just how long marvel was willing to keep her there. Her books keep failing dude.

@Origame - All comics sell terribly except Batman or Spider-Man. The fact she’s 91, and characters like Wonder Woman aren’t even cracking top 100, is the point you’re missing. She’s one of the better sellers when it comes to characters that don’t fall under Batman or Spider-Man.

You can miss Mar-Vell all you want, that’s fine. I just find it funny you miss a character that was only around for 15 years and hasn’t been alive for over 40. But here’s some fun facts for you. Mar-Vell failed to resonate with readers, and suffered from poor sales and multiple cancellations during his 15 year on and off stint in publication. The character was only really kept in publication so Marvel could keep the trademark. Mar-Vell was never successful and is, for all intents and purposes, only kept in conversation today because of Carol

@PlusUltra - you're argument is literally that other pieces of sh!t stink more. Dude, she's never been successful sales wise.

The 9th doctor was only around for one season. Doesn't change the fact he's a fan favorite that people want back.

And we only do that between him and Carol because she's the one being pushed as captain marvel.

@Origame - Wonder Woman isn’t a piece of shit. That’s Wonder Woman, the grandmother of all superheroines. And Carol sells more.

Mar-Vell was never a fan favourite, hence why he didn’t resonate with readers. He’s more popular in death, mainly because of Carol Danvers, than he ever was when he was actually in publication. There isn’t any room to revise history on this one. These are just the facts.

@Origame - The industry’s always pumped out a lot of shit, otherwise readers would have most titles on their pull, but they don’t. Those old Mar-Vell comics you like were never really a good read either. They just hold historical significance in regards mainly to Carol’s legacy now.

We all have our preferences, but whether she’s going by Ms. or Captain, Carol is still Carol. Her character hasn’t change. Just her outfit and branding.

@Origame - Oh come on man, now you’re just showing your bias or that you have an axe to grind against Carol Danvers. That’s all the same s**t. Dan Garrett isn’t a passing reference because it has a relevance to the plot but Mar-Vell creating the engine that gives Carol her powers and setting everything in motion is what exactly? Is everything forgiven if in Secret Wars we glimpse a view of Mar-Vell from another universe flying in space with the nega-bands?

Those are just nominal mentions or appearances that skip their real importance to get to the character they really want to focus on.

And you’re wrong. Carol became Ms. Marvel in 1977 and a short 4 years later lost her powers to Rogue and then in 2005 after time as Binary and Warbird became Ms. Marvel again and then 7 years later in 2012 took on the mantle of Captain Marvel which was 11 years ago. 4 + 7 = 11. She has now been Captain Marvel as long as she was Ms. Marvel. And that’s just actual real time. In actual issues it’s not even close. 73 issues as Ms. Marvel and 111 issues (and growing) as Captain Marvel since taking the mantle. It won’t be long before she eclipses Mar-Vell with the title nor long before Kamala Kahn overtakes Carol’s time as Ms. Marvel.

@Origame - Apparently you don’t even like Ms. Marvel or you wouldn’t be calling her Miss Marvel. She was very deliberately called Ms. Marvel because it’s a socially progressive comic in the 70’s and Ms. has a meaning to the feminist movement of which Carol was involved.

1. I don’t think that’s right. I only saw the movie Blue Beetle once but I don’t remember them really describing Dan Garrett’s adventures as a superhero other than to say the scarab did bond with him to a degree. I think Jaime Reyes really takes the name from Ted Kord since it’s legacy he is really dealing with the whole movie. Dan Garrett is really a few cough and you missed it lines in the movie.

2. Then why would very briefly seeing Jay Garrick from another reality mean anything?

3. Ridiculous reductive comment. Obviously people care. We are people.

@Origame - You were literally calling her the wrong name.

1. We saw several suits in Ted Lord’s bunker that weren’t explained to the audience. That’s the point. We don’t see anything and everything is left to the imagination from small references. And come on the original Blue Beetle was a guy who got superpowers from drinking vitamins. All this Reach stuff is from the Jaime Reyes leaving us with a bunch of retcons.

2. Maybe the legacy in your head canon. It certainly wasn’t on the screen.

3. A guy on this very page said that Warbird is the best Carol Danvers and another guy responded that Binary was is favorite. Nobody cares my *ss. Just because you “don’t care” doesn’t mean that there aren’t people who do. You make broad declarative statements all the time that are obviously false. Nobody cares about this, everybody likes this. It’s all h*rsesh*t. The reason the X-men animated series used Ms. Marvel was because they were adapting a story for the comics when she was still Ms. Marvel i.e. Rogue taking her powers.

@Origame - You seem to have really lost the plot here. I don’t care if you don’t care about her Binary identity. It existed. She had different powers. A very different look. And she lived in space. So you cannot care about it all you want but you can’t pretend she was Ms. Marvel during that time. There was a literal 24 year gap when she was not called Ms. Marvel. And not only that Sharon Ventura became the new Ms. Marvel during that period. Of course Carol was called Ms. Marvel in her few appearances outside of comics but the majority of her appearances outside of comics have been in the last 12 years. There is no way she has more history as Ms. Marvel. It’s been surpassed.

@Origame - You say that like it’s a lot of appearances when it is obviously not. Did she appear in more than one episode of X-men? She was only on a couple of Avengers Earth’s Mightiest Heroes episodes (and were you really happy with Mar-Vell’s appearance on that show?). And three episodes of Superhero Squad? Wow, such history. Her appearances as Captain Marvel in Avengers Assemble dwarf those combined by itself and she was in Spider-man and Guardians of the Galaxy. And seriously all Marvel video games? What like the two Marvel Ultimate Alliance games? Where Warbird, Binary and Sharon Ventura were all skins? Hmm seems like Marvel cared about those identities.

“That's 35 years fans have known her as miss marvel.” No one has ever known as Miss Marvel. In fact if you recall the episode of X-men: The Animated Series she appears in they make a point that it is Ms. because the Blob calls her Miss and she corrects him.

“when that whole time everyone just considered her miss marvel?”. And again these broad declarative statements. Everyone didn’t do anything. Everyone is everyone. X-men were the best selling comic book in the 80’s. In the pages of the X-men (which outsold any issue Ms. Marvel had ever appeared in) she become Binary and is offered a spot on the team. But I guess nobody read the best-selling comic. I don’t know why when you are laughably wrong you just make yourself look foolish. You can just be like “you know what you’re right. For years she had the history as Ms. Marvel and even though I didn’t realize it has been long enough now since she became Captain Marvel that is where the greatest amount of her history lies even if I personally don’t like it.”

It’s fine if in your mind you think of her a Ms. Marvel first and always will. I’ll probably always think of Drew Carey as the guy from The Drew Carey Show even though he has been doing The Price is Right way longer. That’s human nature. But it’s just factually correct that in terms of both appearances and years she now has the most history under the Captain Marvel moniker. And obviously at this point way more people know her from Endgame and Captain Marvel than one random episode of X-men: The Animated Series so there is no going back. Her history is just going to continue under the name Captain Marvel.

@Origame - 35 years is a joke. In the almost every single one of those years she did not appear in any media outside of comic books and in most of those years in the comic book she was not Ms. Marvel. How do you know 80’s comic readers didn’t consider her Binary? She was literally appearing in comics as Binary and there was another character appearing in comics called Ms. Marvel and Carol at that point had never appeared outside of comics so it was just the comic readers.

@Origame - She did barely appear outside of comics until the past few years. Your list showed that. And you’re pretending that appearances outside of comics proves anything shows your lack of understanding of the term history.

@Origame - It is kind of sad that both you and I know that in your heart of hearts you know you were just factually incorrect, no shame in that, but some insecurity you have on the inside won’t let you just admit a simple mistake that no one would look down on you upon. No matter how you slice it, years with the name, appearances in the comics, appearances in comics she starred in, or appearances outside of comics she now has more as Captain Marvel than she ever did as Ms. Marvel. Those are facts. The only thing you are arguing is your feelings and your perception of the feelings of other people.

@Origame - Midnights Suns, Marvel Snap, Marvel Future Revolution, Marvel Super War, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Marvel Powers United, Marvel Battles Lines, Marvel End Time Arena, Marvel Strike Force, 2 Lego Marvel games, Marvel Contest of Champions, Marvel Future Fight, Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, Fortnite, Marvel Puzzle Quest, Marvel Mighty Heroes. Those are all games Carol Danvers has appeared in as Captain Marvel. Now are you going to pretend the games she appeared in as Ms. Marvel is a longer list than that. Because it’s not.

@Origame - It’s not a substantial list. You say it’s substantial list but anyone with functional eyeballs can see that it’s not. Carol Danvers never even appeared in a video game until 2005 (and not as a playable character until 2006) and a short 7 years later she became Captain Marvel. Those are the same seven years she was known as Ms. Marvel in the comics, how does that prove anything? It doesn’t. It’s the same short period of time and does not overlap the time she spent as Binary or Warbird. In fact the only piece of media Carol Danvers appeared outside of comics before 2005 was that one episode of X-men: The Animated Series. That’s not substantial, long, or lengthy.