X-MEN: FIRST CLASS And KINGSMAN Director Matthew Vaughn Once Again Rumored To Be Working On DCU Project

@JFerguson - Also it's a Mark Millar book and like 75% of Vaughn's filmography are Mark Millar adaptations.

@WakandaTech - thats why it needed a reboot, never understood why they fans thought making Man of Steel 2, Old Man Batman, or =Justice League 2 was going to save the Snyder verse. No DCEU film after Aquaman 1 has grossed 400 mil and the only ones that did are TP's Joker and Reeve's Batman which aren't DCEU films.

@AmazingFILMporg - When he said no to directing Kick Ass 2, he said it was because he's not interested in doing more than one movie in a franchise.

It looks like he was right because he started to suck when he started making sequels for Kingsman. I'm kind of glad the last one tanked because now he has to do something new.

@Usernametaken - GDT has said recently that "no" he is no longer interested in making superhero films or sequels to big ips like lord of the rings. He said he's too old and doesn't have much time left and would rather direct something that will never be made without his involvement like stop motion Pinnochio or Nightmare Alley's remake.

There will always be directors willing to do a superhero film but not alot willing to make an original ip anymore.

@Origame - Yes and I get that it works for that period, of course. I was talking more about his sensibilities as a director in general and in his personal life.

@ObserverIO - ...literally every female story in this is about how they aren't being respected despite their clear skill.

In his other series, kickass, two of the most powerful characters there are women. In fact by the end of the series hit girl is pretty much the only superhero.

Seriously, what in these movies is showing any attitude the director has for women other than respect?

@ObserverIO - ...you literally had a scene of Emma frost using a man's view of her as a sex object to get what she wanted.

And when we're Roxy or gazelle treated as sex objects in kingsman?

@ObserverIO - you clearly haven't seen magic Mike. That whole series is about men being viewed as sex objects.

But back to the subject at hand, you clearly just love giving generalizations and no real examples. In every case a woman is kinda considered a sex object, the movie frames this as wrong. Hell, first class also features a scene where Charles and Erik go to visit angel proposing a job offer that'll take her away from being a sex object.

And sure, not attacking him but painting him as a sexist who views all women as sex objects. I've provided two adult women who aren't treated as sex objects by any stretch of the imagination. And two more that either try to get out of that life because the narrative agrees its bad or use their perception of being a sex object to take advantage of men.

@ObserverIO - 1) wtf are you talking about? Your point I was addressing was that men aren't treated as sex objects. Guess what? Magic Mike is all about men being treated as sex objects.

2) And the Emma frost scene as well as instances of women using sex to get what they want isn't them being used as sex objects. It's women taking advantage of men who view them as sex objects. We used to have a word for that. You know, EMPOWERMENT!

Even if you don't view it as empowerment for the women, bare minimum you have to see the narrative of the films themselves don't view these women as sex objects. In fact they're being critical of men who do by making them weak willed idiots who get punished for that view.

Then you have characters like Charles and Erik who are shown to be right by saying "hey, let's get you a job that involves putting your clothes on."

3) Charles literally uses the feelings Moira has for him to get her mind erased while she's kissing him. But even if that weren't the case, it doesn't mean he's being sexist. It means he's being realistic. Because men simply don't do that to the extent women do. It's how our species courts. Women simply don't have to put in the effort to get male attention the way men have to to get female attention. Just a girl approaching a guy is enough to get things moving 95% of the time. For a guy to any girl? Not so much.

@ObserverIO - 1) no, you didn't. You said no movies had men as sex objects. And when I pointed out magic Mike, you said it didn't count because of "male gaze".

2) ...yes. because again, men don't have the kind of sexual power that women do. And it's not just Matthew Vaughn who views it as empowering for women. And again, any man who the women use this on is treated as wrong, weak, and an idiot.

On top of this you're being incredibly disingenuous about this. Only Moira and Emma do this. Angel only took her clothes off for a job prior to the events of the film, and left specifically because the narrative of the movie insisted that was beneath her. And mystique took off her clothes as part of her own character arc to embrace her mutant side.

This is just not accepting the reality that sex appeal is a unique and powerful ability women have over men and that they can (and often times do) use it to take advantage of weak willed men. Ffs, Emma frost had power over a Russian general because of this. Enough so she was capable of starting the Cuban missile crisis. If that's not empowering, idk wtf is.

@ObserverIO - 1) lowering the bar...

2) so you're basically admitting to ignoring everything I've said because women take their clothes off and men don't. It's clear you're just committed to seeing sexism in everything. Which, bare minimum, means we can stop taking you seriously. Especially since you're painting a director as this way yet you can provide only one movie as an example which was a period piece specifically about discrimination. Can't justify literally any other film, including contemporary films like kingsman and kick ass where that isn't the case.

@ObserverIO - 1) angel was literally the only one taking her clothes off for men, as part of her job before even doing anything in the plot and in one scene where the whole point is "let's let you use your actual talents instead of just having you take your clothes off". In fact, that's almost exactly what was said in that scene. Then she never stripped again.

Emma and Moira took their clothes off for their mission, with the clear point being taking advantage of weak willed idiot men. Basically, "yeah, you're getting your rocks off, but I'm making off with this world changing secret you're hiding". And mystique took her clothes off purely for herself. She didn't even try doing this to arouse a man. And the first person she showed herself to was Charles, who was like a brother to her, to show him she's embracing being a mutant.

2) really? You're point is that unattractive people wouldn't use their sex appeal to be a stripper or for their spy work? Of course they wouldn't. Because obviously it wouldn't work. That's the point.

And the male Cia partner didn't have to do that because there weren't male strippers for him to pose as.

3) what it added was to show how women were being underestimated at this time. A woman can get close to all these powerful people when men can struggle to. Pretty much just because the men want the company and don't view them as threats. It's part of the overall point of the film actually since this is before mutants are revealed to the world. The idea is people discriminate, so of course they're gonna discriminate mutants when they're revealed.

4) it was justified. You're completely ignoring the context, by admission, on the simple basis that women take off their clothes "for" men.

5) if it was just that Matthew Vaughn just wanted scantily clad women in his movie, then why didn't he include them in the likes of kingsman or kickass?

6) to counter the idea of this being something that isn't empowering, there's the movie hustlers. It's directed and written by a woman. It was based on a magazine article by a woman, which is based on what real women did. And it's starring a mostly female cast.

The plot is entirely what you're criticizing from first class. Women take up stripping to seduce and steal money from weak willed idiot men. Is hustlers sexist? Because I really don't get the logic of something being backwards like this when you have a movie actually made by women which is doing the same thing.

It's not even like first class is trying to titilate the audience with how they film the women ffs.

@ObserverIO - so in other words, it's justifiable but they still did it, reasoning be damned.

And you expect us to take this point seriously.

@ObserverIO - as long as you admit it.

Makes sense you use owl man as your profile pic. You have the same level of logic.

@Forthas -
"Does The Authority have a huge fan base? Who is asking for this?"
The Guardians of the Galaxy didn't have a particularly large fanbase either and yet - in spite of my mixed feelings regarding some of the deviations from DnA's run - Gunn managed to turn them into mainstream icons of the MCU to the point that - even amongst the mixed reactions to the post-Endgame MCU projects and in spite of the firing, re-hiring and six-year time gap - Volume 3 was considered one of the greatest superhero trilogy cappers ever.
The Suicide Squad may not have done great BO-wise, but it still got got critical acclaim and apparently did major numbers streaming-wise.
Peacemaker was a massive critical success and clearly did well enough to secure a second season, and likely got Gunn the job to take over the DCU and do Superman: Legacy.

"They are retreading the same strategy that gave us Jonah Hex, Steel and Catwoman."
The problem with those adaptations was never the choice of source; it was diverging so wildly from the source material and not even making the changes compelling, engaging, or entertaining enough.
(Severing Steel's connection to Superman to make it a star vehicle for Shaq; Catwoman being an in name only adaptation that was rumored to have started as an unrelated script before they slapped the name of Batman's most iconic love interest on it; giving Jonah Hex supernatural powers when the whole point was that even was a gritty western antihero who's normality was meant as a stark contrast to how wacky and fantastical the wider DCU could get and who's main adventures would feel right at home amongst spaghetti westerns.)

In the right hands, with the right material, those lesser known characters could easily support their film.
Hell, I'm certain that Steel could wind up being one of the best takes on the Superman mythos ever put to film if they focus on John Henry Irons taking inspiration from both the folk tale he's named after and the death of the Big Blue Boy Scout.