DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS Star Elizabeth Olsen Defends Superhero Movies From The Haters

DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS Star Elizabeth Olsen Defends Superhero Movies From The Haters

It's become all too frequent for certain filmmakers and actors to take shots at superhero movies, but Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness star Elizabeth Olsen has now responded to those criticisms.

By JoshWilding - May 11, 2022 06:05 AM EST
Source: The Independent

It's become more than a little tedious hearing from the likes of Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola about their hatred of superhero movies. While the filmmakers are entitled to their opinions, their dislike of the genre appears to be rooted in jealousy, and many fans were shocked this weekend to see even Jamie Lee Curtis start taking shots at Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness.

It's hard to put this borderline irrational hatred of comic book adaptations down to anything other than the fact that they're so much more successful at the box office. However, you only need to look at someone like Benedict Cumberbatch, an actor who has jumped from the MCU to Oscar-nominated fare like The Power of the Dog, for proof that there's ultimately room for all types of movies in theaters. 

Talking to The Independent recently, WandaVision star Elizabeth Olsen was quick to speak out in defence of the superhero genre. Saying that it frustrates her when people "make them seem like a lesser type of art," she added, "I’m not saying we’re making indie art films, but I just think it takes away from our crew, which bugs me. These are some of the most amazing set designers, costume designers, camera operators – I feel diminishing them with that kind of criticism takes away from all the people who do award-winning films, that also work on these projects."

"From an actor’s point of view, whatever, I get it; I totally understand that there’s a different kind of performance that’s happening," Olsen continued. "But I do think throwing Marvel under the bus takes away from the hundreds of very talented crew people. That’s where I get a little feisty."

The actor has summed the issue up perfectly here. While you can quite rightly point out that the influx of superhero movies somewhat overshadows smaller budgeted projects and leaves less room for them in theaters, dismissing the genre entirely does a disservice to everyone involved from the catering team right up to the director and cast. It's a disappointing, narrow-minded viewpoint. 

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is now playing. It recently passed $200 million domestic.

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DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 6:53 AM
[...] it frustrates her when people "make them seem like a lesser type of art" [...]



For whatever reason (coughcontrarianismcough), people feel the need to create this false image in their head that not only are CBMs lesser form of art, but also that their main audience are incapable of enjoying any other genre of cinema. How arrogant, how obnoxious, how f#ckin' elitist does one have to be to treat the fans and creators an entire genre as inferior?

CBMs make bank? F#ckin' deal with it! Marty, FFC, whoever the f#ck you are...
Moriakum
Moriakum - 5/11/2022, 7:49 AM
@DrReedRichards - "but also that their main audience are incapable of enjoying any other genre of cinema."

That's so true! I'm a CMB super fan but I'm also a huge movie fan. I love and enjoy different genres. For example, two of my favorite movies of 2021 are No Way Home and Mass and the two couldn't been any more different from each other!
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 7:52 AM
@Moriakum -

Dude, my favourite director is Darren Aronofsky. I f#ckin' adore his filmography, and he hasn't directed a single CBM! But as soon as I mention that I enjoy CBMs and love the MCU, I suddenly have to turn over my kinophile card and renounce any and all cinema enthusiast rights?

F#ck outta here with that kind of attidue... Obnoxious little pricks.
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 5/11/2022, 9:45 AM
@DrReedRichards - First off, CBM is not a genre, anymore than novel adaptations are a singular genre.

Secondly, no one has said that CBM fans are "incapable" of enjoying other types of movies. However, it is just objectively true that a majority of people who go to see them are NOT going to see other movies.

Lastly, no one has said that CBM's in general are "lesser art." But I don't see how anyone can seriously argue that NWH isn't aspiring to a lesser artistic standard than, say, Scorsese's work. Its goal is purely to entertain fans. And there's nothing wrong with that, but fans need to accept it isn't the same.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 10:07 AM
@SerKurtWagner -

Tell me you think little of CBMs without telling me you think little of CBMs...
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 5/11/2022, 1:00 PM
@DrReedRichards - I love a lot of comic book movies. Even some of the ones that don't try to be any more than basic popcorn flicks. What part of what I said is not correct, in your view?
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 1:09 PM
@SerKurtWagner -

Which do you want us to focus on first; the "objectively true" claim that CBM fans don't watch other movies, or the sneaky implication that even the best parts of NWH (a movie that even I find overrrated, mind you) is somehow less artistic than Marty's worst?
Drace24
Drace24 - 5/11/2022, 2:04 PM
@DrReedRichards - I really don't care what all these grumpy grandpas think of Marvel movies. I never care what anyone else thinks of the stuff I like. But what really bugs me are the objectively stupid arguments that are being made to that end.

"They aren't cinema. They are theme park rides!" What the shit does this even mean? This drunken rambling comes from one of the biggest geniuses in Hollywood? You'd think his thoughts would be a little bit more complex and reasonable.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 2:21 PM
@Drace24 -



But hey, it's a total coincidence that Marty made those comments when he was forced to put The Irishman on streaming and only limited thetre release, right? Totally not spiteful or anything, he's just too great of an artist or whatever...
Drace24
Drace24 - 5/11/2022, 2:34 PM
@DrReedRichards - Even worse are the people who go "He's right, you know!" or "Finally someone says it!" Seriously? Pretty sure he could have also said "Marvel movies are like potato salad!" and they would have also put on their monocle and nodded, as if that actually had some deeper wisdom to it.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 2:43 PM
@Drace24 -

Like I said in my another comment down below, they fail to realize that by naming Marvel he was targetting the entire CBM genre. Why do you think DCEU fans and Snyder cultists still use his words as some sort of gospel to rally behind?
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 5/11/2022, 2:56 PM
@DrReedRichards - Considering I never said either of those things...

MANY people who go see Marvel movies don't see other movies. This is a basic fact that any rudimentary at ticket sales will show you, or spending any amount of time on the internet at all.

You pulled that second supposed point out of thin air, but I would love to see you try and point out what parts of NWH don't fall under the judgement of my original assessment.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 3:04 PM
@SerKurtWagner -

I neither oversimplify nor pull anything out of thin air. I merely recognize intent having grown able to read between the lines. In other words, I'm not saying that this is word for word what you said. I implied, and now clarify by outright stating, that this is what you clearly choose to believe. Whether it is to serve your ego as an enjoyer of what you and whatever geezer choose to gatekeep as "cinema", or whether it is to spite a wide genre or specific franchise the inescapable nature of which might just be starting to frustrate you, I neither know nor care about.

But your tone is palpable.
SerKurtWagner
SerKurtWagner - 5/11/2022, 5:09 PM
@DrReedRichards - Maybe my tone wouldn't be as "palpable" if I wasn't dealing with ridiculous fans who can't handle the slightest criticism of the Marvel formula or the concerning trends of media engagement in the culture today. You're not even arguing with me, just repeating the same defensive vagaries - Again, CBMs are NOT a genre.

I love a lot of these movies. I've been a superhero fan since I first learned to read. But some of y'all make it freaking embarrassing to enjoy it because you can't accept that Marvel isn't making The Godfather.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/11/2022, 5:28 PM
@SerKurtWagner -

See, here's the thing: I didn't even mention Marvel in my comment to begin with. Instead, I supported CBMs in general, just like Olsen initially did in her quote.

You know who did mention Marvel out of nowhere? The guys who did make Goodfellas and The Godfather. Oh, and that one guy who's now trying to project his own obsession with Marvel onto those who he thinks watch nothing else.

Wrap your head around that.
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 5/11/2022, 6:57 AM
Nothing to defend. If the movie is good, reviews and word of mouth will help it make money. If the movie sucks people will talk shit about it.
ignore the haters and keep supporting the movies you love.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 5/11/2022, 7:13 AM
Aren't there a lot a CBM haters on this web site? people are always talking shit about the Venom movies, Morbius, JL, Birds Of Prey. From all the sites I've been on, this site has the biggest CBM haters.
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 5/11/2022, 7:24 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - they’re not hating on comic book movies, they’re hating on sh*t movies, the annoying thing is that some people hate on CBM without even watching them
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 5/11/2022, 7:34 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - shit movies, whether or not they're CBMs, will be called shit movies. It just so happens that CBM.com is a site about CBMs. Shocking, I know.
WEAPONXOXOXO
WEAPONXOXOXO - 5/11/2022, 7:39 AM
@manofillintent1 - Thank you for proving my point. They are hating on shit movies and there are a lot of shit movies that are CBM. BW, Shang Chi, Enternals, NWH. People are more interested in cameos these days rather than a good script. you got to be 10 years old to think NWH had a good script.
And there are people who think all CBM are shit and stupid. it's called having an opinion.
People do that all the time on this site. They hate on movies they haven't seen.
manofillintent1
manofillintent1 - 5/11/2022, 7:49 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - No, my point is that people look down on the whole genre without having really watched one that’s not called having an opinion it’s judging from a place of ignorance, now sure they can not be your thing but you can’t just write them all off, hating on a movie you paid to see and ended up being disappointed in is fair enough, people here aren’t hating on an entire genre so you can’t say the site is full of cbm haters, they just hating on a shit movie that happens to be based on a comic book
connorblaze
connorblaze - 5/11/2022, 8:33 AM
@WEAPONXOXOXO - NWH had poor dialogue but a strong script because of the way it handled character and thematic storytelling. To juggle three Spidermen and all those villains, especially when a lot of people would have a preference for one of those other Spidermen over Holland, and still have people care about your lead character and have them undergo a meaningful character development? That was well done. Homecoming and Far From Home had shit scripts on all fronts, but NWH did a great job growing its main character through the interactions with the other characters, rather than having them be the point, they were there to advance his journey. Which is good writing. With extremely average dialogue haha.
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 5/11/2022, 7:33 AM
I agree with her sentiment, generalizing the entire genre as "not cinema" is not right. Of course there are some horrendous CBMs, but that doesn't mean there aren't spectacular ones either, just like any other genre.
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 5/11/2022, 7:36 AM
She says she hates calling it a lesser kind of art and then kind of proceeds to do just that.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/11/2022, 7:41 AM
@regularmovieguy - I caught that too
GhostDog
GhostDog - 5/11/2022, 7:42 AM
Nice of her to give the crew their props
PantherKing
PantherKing - 5/11/2022, 7:46 AM
Jamie Lee Curtis needs to hear this
Thing94
Thing94 - 5/11/2022, 7:51 AM
Feisty
RitoRevolto
RitoRevolto - 5/11/2022, 7:54 AM
Glad she's not on social media or THAT mob would be after her. Talk yo shit, Lizzy!
jj2112
jj2112 - 5/11/2022, 8:03 AM
Well said. "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe." This Superman quote applies to so many CBMs...
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/11/2022, 8:07 AM
"But I do think throwing Marvel under the bus takes away from the hundreds of very talented crew people"

Exactly. Yeah it sucks that the movie they worked on sucked due to writing or directing or acting, but still it is unfair to take a piss on the whole movie. Thats why I only take a piss on that whay sucked (like plotbeats in ZSJL).

Although I do think when we say something sucks, it's a generalizing statement. It's rarely that I think everything about a movie sucks, so I don't think we should statement like "it sucks" as 100% representative.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 5/11/2022, 8:12 AM
God i LOVE Lizzie Olsen. She makes some very valid points here. Shes also done alot of great movies outside of the MCU, including one of my low key favs, Wind River, with Jeremy Renner. Such an underrated movie. Anyways, there will never not be hate for CBMs but i guess that comes with the territory these days

bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 5/11/2022, 8:24 AM
@MotherGooseUPus - Wind River is a solid movie. Same with Sheridan's others, although I still haven't seen his latest one with Jolie.
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