Why SPIDER-MAN Shouldn't Be In THE AVENGERS

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I want Spider-Man in The Avengers.

I feel like fanboys think that all it'd take to get the rights to X-Men or Spider-Man or Fantastic Four back to Marvel is a quick phone call and maybe a Fed-Ex delivery of a check or two in the mail.

It's a little more complicated than that. There's copyright issues. There's legal matters to consider. There's the all-important money factor. There's the question if those characters would even fit into what Marvel's already doing in the MCU.

Take Sony, for instance. They are NEVER letting go of the rights to Spider-Man because that's their most proven money-maker. It doesn't matter how bad the reviews get...they'll simply reboot it if that TASM franchise continues taking a nosedive. I'd imagine it's the same with Fox. Simply put: I seriously doubt we'll EVER see all the characters under one studio, unless Disney ends up taking over the world (which is a pretty good possibility, I'll admit).

And strictly as a film lover...I'm actually okay with having separate studios controlling separate characters.

It wouldn't make sense to have Fox's persecuted Mutants, who are hated by the entire world, in the same universe that LOVES and adores the Avengers. A world chock-full of superheroes and mutants kind of negates what makes the Fantastic Four so interesting as well. Having Spider-Man run around NYC doesn't quite fit in with what we've seen so far in the MCU too.

I can see why fanboys would want all the characters together, like in the comics, so we could get awesome storylines like Civil War and all that...but I like the way things are set up right now.

Of course, it'd be infinitely better if X-Men actually resembled the X-Men and if the TASM movies were actually, you know, any good. And I get the feeling that the only way those movies could possibly be any good would be if the rights reverted to Marvel...so it's kind of a catch-22 for me. MAYBE if (and it's a big IF) Marvel got the rights to them, but insisted on keeping the universes separate, then that'd probably be ideal.

They don't want them in the same movie, just the same universe. bit difference

Go read New Avengers, then tell me if you feel the same.

On a related note, despite my previous comments, this is easily the most depressing thing I've seen today:

@AlphaAndDecima, It's absolutely heart-breaking haha! Like, Spidey just wants to play with his friends, it's simply not fair!

@SauronsBANE

I used to feel the same way about the mutants. "Why would people hate them if they love The Avengers?" It didn't make sense to me for a long time. But, the way I see it..

Mutants are sorta like the dark side of the "normal" heroes, y'know? 'Least, that's how I think the world sees 'em in the comics. You've got Cap, you've got Thor, you've got Iron Man.. and the people love 'em because they're inspirational, y'know? They remind them of the good they're capable of. Now, on the flip side.. there's the mutants.

The freaks.

I mean, think about it- as far the world is concerned, they're the next step in evolution. "Homo-sapiens", well.. they hear something like that, and they think "f*ck, we're goin' the way of the dinosaur, aren't we?"

It terrifies them. The idea of being replaced by these.. genetic mishaps. They've become obsolete. To them, it's almost an invasion.. any one of their children could be one. Scares the shit out of 'em, because they're seeing the end of a species. Their own.

Anyway, I don't mean to ramble.. just thought I'd throw in my two cents. Maybe I'm just full of shit, haha. Now, that's not to say that I think the X-Men should join the MCU, because, well.. I don't. But, yeah..

Good posts, by the way.

;)

No one needs to watch this video to know that we don't need Spider-Man in the Avengers.

We're almost done with Phase 2 and every Marvel movie has sold tons. How many of those movies has Spidey shown up in? None?

Okay. Thats all anyone needs to know.

@dethpillow Leave it to you to manage to explain all this in a way that I could possibly understand! Haha seriously, VERY well said all around.

Everything you said actually makes perfect sense to me, but I think you hit the nail right on the head here: "thing really that doesn't make sense, is why does everyone know who's a mutant and who's not?"

Now, I can see why people would be so freaked out about mutants as opposed to other 'normal' heroes (I guess the origins of their powers really DO matter a lot)...but how would people actually KNOW that, you know? Most mutants wouldn't exactly put that kind of info out there for everyone to learn about. And like I sort of said before: how do people know that someone like Captain America ISN'T a mutant? Or Bruce Banner? Or imagine that Marvel suddenly decided to make those guys mutants: would that knowledge suddenly change everything for everyday folk? Would Rogers' natural goodness suddenly get trumped by the fact that he's an evolutionary freak?

There's just way too many unanswered questions and crazy complications for me to wrap my head around if Marvel suddenly had ALL its characters in the same universe. Like I said, I don't know how it works in the comics or if people really ever care about these kinds of things in the comics...but I can't see it translating very well into the MCU. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I kind of like seeing certain characters separated into their own unique universes. It's not too much of an overload, you know?

@dethpillow I hear you. I really enjoyed your thoughts on the mutant/superhero thing, and that really does make sense to me. But I guess I'm just stubborn and set in my ways haha, and so I can't really find it within myself to actually root for Spider-Man crossing over with everyone.

Part of it is because of what you said and what I've been saying all along: it just makes things MUCH more complicated. If Marvel got Spider-Man back, would they reboot it? Would they keep Andrew Garfield but pretend like nothing else in the TASM movies happened? Would they continue the story, but completely ignore the fact that Spider-Man would've done something when the portal opened and NYC was attacked by aliens? Would they start from scratch, and have him only become Spider-Man AFTER the events of The Avengers...which means we'd have to suffer through yet ANOTHER origin story?

The other reason is because I think having some standalone superheroes helps keep things fresh. It'd probably get old and stale REAL quick if Marvel had EVERYONE in its universe, you know? And again, like you said, some characters simply don't gain anything by having a crossover.

Like how you said you didn't want Batman in the Superman sequel...I agree! Somehow, all these crossovers just feel really forced and unnatural to me. Maybe it's because Marvel conditioned me to watch solo films that lead up to the big team-up, and so anything else just feels weird. But more specifically, I personally believe that WB/DC had no intentions on making a Batman/Superman film at all, until Man of Steel underperformed (in their eyes, they went on record saying they expected it to reach $1 billion) and they panicked, and threw in their most proven money-maker: Batman. To me, they didn't make that decision because it was the natural next step for their version of Kal-el. It was a business decision, pure and simple, and they're now changing things in the story to fit that. I know by now I'm off on a random tangent haha, but something about that just rubs me the wrong way, compared to how Marvel is approaching things.