JUSTICE LEAGUE: Speculation On What Zack Snyder's Vision Could’ve Been!

JUSTICE LEAGUE: Speculation On What Zack Snyder's Vision Could’ve Been!

The release of Justice League brought upon many disappointed fans, however, many have questioned whether Snyder's version would've made the movie better!

Editorial Opinion
By aliharris - Nov 23, 2017 01:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Justice League
Source: Thewrap.com
As always, if you have not watched the movie, please avoid reading as the article contains spoilers for Justice League. 

Before continuing further on reading the article, I, as the author of this article need to give an apology. Before editing the article, I, unknowingly gave false information. The source I’ve chosen was complete speculation and it’s on my behalf that I thought that it wasn’t JUST speculation. All information forward in the article is complete SPECULATION and nothing more as of right now.

It was a shock to us all when it was announced that Zack Snyder had to leave the project after a family tragedy, we were saddened by the news but we were also worried for the future of the movie. This is when Joss Whedon comes in, according to official statistics, reshoot director Joss Whedon apparently only added 15-20 per cent to the film. However, is that really true?

The finished product we got was extremely different to the intended version by Snyder, throughout the entirety of the film, it felt like a Whedon film, and not so much a Snyder movie. Is that a good thing? Well, that's up to you to decide but after watching it a second time, I found that the movie wasn't as great as I thought it was when I first watched it.

For the fans, here's what Snyder wanted us to have and would've given us if Warner Bros had delayed the movie for the Snyder's to process the tragedy, in order for them to then come back and complete the trilogy that Zack Snyder himself started. 

The Opening

Snyder's version wouldn't have given the unnecessary camera-phone interview Superman, or that weird rooftop Batman sequence (in which Batman clearly identifies Alfred in front of a criminal because apparently Bruce doesn't care about secret identities anymore).

We would've instead gotten an extended version of the 'World without Hope' sequence that follows those scenes - which, presumably, would've led to the above shot of a rained-on Daily Planet shown in the trailers.

The search for Aquaman

Straight after the 'World without Hope' credit sequence, we would've transitioned into Bruce's search for Aquaman, which again would've been longer, and had contained the below atmospheric images that Snyder is known to have in his movies.





Marth & Lois

This image which can be found in a trailer hints at a conversation between Lois and Martha that we assume wouldn't be as silly as what we got later on in the film. This moment could easily fit into the movie and story at any point in the movie. 


The London Scene

The following set-piece was cut for time, and would've included further slo-mo fighting and a different conclusion, involving a ground explosion, possibly with the bomb that we see Wonder Woman throwing out the building in the movie. It's been reported that this scene has been completed too, so it may end up in an extended edition, if we get one.


The Russian Family

I hated this. I hated that Whedon added the Russian family because they took up so much time that could've been otherwise used for absolutely essential scenes. Snyder would never have included them in his version. The family held no significance to the story whatsoever and didn't make sense for the Parademons not get through the minor barricade. 


Cyborg

This is what I mean, Whedon cut out so many scenes involving Cyborg that essentially develop his character only to replace them with some meaningless family. Cyborg was an element that I was truly worried about going into the movie, but Ray Fisher truly nailed his character. Fisher discussed a sequence involving Cyborg's mother as being his favorite deleted scene. Snyder never would've done this to a character this big to the movie.


Bruce & Diana

The scene in the trailer with the two of them in the Bat-cave talking about bringing in Aquaman was completely cut out (the "more more, or more less/he said no" scene). It would've been preferred if the two were talking in the cave and would make sense rather than just meeting at a random lake to make the scene more romantic... great one Whedon.


Thousand-Year Battle

One of my biggest gripes with the final product was that the scene where Steppenwolf says: "No protectors here, no Lanterns, no Kryptonians, this world will fall, like all the others" was completely erased. Snyder's vision of the Thousand-year battle was retooled as his vision had a more 300 kind of battle sequence. 

Flash's Introduction

The trailer reveals more back-story given to Barry Allen, so imagine the disappointment when we realised that scenes of Flash's backstory was cut out. Flash and Cyborg both suffered the same issue and they are both MAIN characters in this movie. Oh and the bit where Barry Allen draws a fake mustache on the guy behind him was actually all Snyder. The cool slo-mo glass-shattering sequence was cut out and that's a shame because it looked like this was a scene, presumably a flashback of Barry learning of his powers. 


First Big Fight

The sequence where the team fights Steppenwolf for the first time under the tunnels had been revamped completely. While the fight we got wasn't bad, Whedon still cut out some really cool moments that we deserved to see that were shown in the trailers. 

We lost Cyborg shooting debris while Flash looks on, we lost "I'm real when it's useful', we lost Cyborg showing his entire mask while flying, we lost Flash fighting a Parademon himself, and one of the more cringey lines that Whedon added was the "I didn't bring a sword" which replaced "My turn". 



The League's First Meeting

The first team meeting appears to have been changed by Whedon, and it's also the first sign that he completely retooled Superman's narrative. Almost every shot of Superman has a wobbly lip, meaning his dialogue was changed. 


Resurrecting Superman

We assumed after Henry Cavill teased us with a black Superman outfit on Instagram that we'd be getting an evil version of Superman, however, this was not the case whatsoever. Sources say Cyborg gets a premonition sequence that would've played just before the team formulated the bringing Superman back plan. It would've tied to the plot of the Knightmare sequence from Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. 

The conflict between Superman and the League was all Snyder, however, Snyder would've implemented it to be longer, taken place at dusk, and would include more collateral damage. As we see in the trailer, Cyborg's "You should probably move" line is from that fight sequence. 



The Finale

Snyder's version would've included more shots of the reaction of the world to the threat, with red skies covering everything. The scene where Batman gives back Aquaman the trident which can be seen in one of the trailers was also completely cut for whatever reason. 

Other than a few interactions between Superman and Cyborg which was done by Snyder, Whedon done all other Superman scenes. Also, Snyder originally wanted Wonder Woman to be the one to kill Steppenwolf by decapitation, probably due to him killing so many of her people. The whole smell of fear thing at the end felt anti-climatic and would've just been better if the scene concluded in a battle which would lead to the defeat of Steppenwolf.

Image result for Justice League vs Steppenwolf

Post-Credit Sequences

The first post-credit sequence was all Whedon, having Superman and Flash racing which admittedly was cool, and I got nothing against that but it didn't add much substance. The second post-credit sequence is Snyder's and that at least hinted at we can expect from a sequel. 

Joss Whedon firing Junkie XL was another one of my biggest gripes. Danny Elfman's scores were disjointed and did not fit in with the movie. The fact that Elfman left out Hans Zimmer's beautiful Superman theme was my last straw with him. 


Image result for Justice League post-credit
 

So there you have it. Snyder's version would've been a completely different movie and while it may have still received backlash, I do believe Snyder's version could've and would've been better. Whedon's involvement did hurt the movie, however, the true evil behind all this is Warner Bros. themselves. I do believe that being overly harsh with Whedon isn't fair, even though I have been. Like I said though, Warner Bros were the ones that allowed for such backlash and negative reviews towards this movie.

Source: 
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/lets-try-to-piece-together-what-zack-snyders-version-of-justice-league-was-like/amp/
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CapHindsight
CapHindsight - 11/23/2017, 6:20 PM
Yeah, coming completely out of your ass.
Kevwebsz
Kevwebsz - 11/23/2017, 6:25 PM
@CapObvious - lmaoooo
LoveThat
LoveThat - 11/23/2017, 6:21 PM
It’s Thanksgiving. Get over it. Just be thankful this movie happened 🙄 There will be a sequel and it will be better.
Forthas
Forthas - 11/23/2017, 6:23 PM
You are going to start an Intra-DC flame war. There is equal blame to go around. What it proves is there needs to be a person overseeing the entire film universe who can think ahead while the director implements the film at hand!
aliharris
aliharris - 11/23/2017, 6:40 PM
@Forthas - I’m not trying to start conflict of any kind. I’m just trying to get people informed.
Forthas
Forthas - 11/23/2017, 6:45 PM
@aliharris - I did not mean to imply you were doing it on purpose...it is just that people are getting riled up over who they should be angry at - Snyder or Whedon. If let's say Whedon were to take over the franchise, it is going to sow seeds of discontent when DC fans should rally around future films. I am just asking that you consider the consequences of overly criticizing either director.
aliharris
aliharris - 11/23/2017, 6:50 PM
@Forthas - I see your point and I agree. Like I said in the end, while I’ve been harsh on Whedon, I know that’s not fair and that it’s not really either Snyder or Whedon responsible for the backlash.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 11/23/2017, 6:24 PM
An epic blockbuster including two of the most popular superheroes in the history of comics? Quick lets cut out everything and include an entire subplot about a russian family nobody cares about
CapHindsight
CapHindsight - 11/23/2017, 6:25 PM
As I said before, Interactions were the most liked parts. Thank Whedon for that.
Beloved Superman? Whedon.
Why the hell do people think Snyder's cut (which doesn't exist, btw) would be any better?
Kevwebsz
Kevwebsz - 11/23/2017, 6:26 PM
Lmao This is garbage. Delete this fan made version of JL
SeeL
SeeL - 11/23/2017, 6:27 PM
there has to be a source for this, bro! U cant reveal a plot without any reference.
therefore i have to take this with lots of grant salt.

but i have no doubt that Snyders Version is a whole different movie...but is it that, what is described in the article???
SeeL
SeeL - 11/23/2017, 6:35 PM
@aliharris - fair enough!

Which makes the Screw Up of us fans by WB even bigger. Damn it, i wanted that Directors Cut so bad....yeah i know i know...we wont get it and we have to relax and get over it.

but how about...We dont want to!
JohnnyTBP
JohnnyTBP - 11/23/2017, 6:29 PM
This doesn't sound right but not quite off
aliharris
aliharris - 11/23/2017, 6:31 PM
@JohnnyTBP - For some reason, people aren’t seeing the source I posted. Nevertheless, here it is. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.thewrap.com/lets-try-to-piece-together-what-zack-snyders-version-of-justice-league-was-like/amp/
SeeL
SeeL - 11/23/2017, 6:29 PM
by the way.... is the russian family even confirmed to be reshoots??

i know everone saying that, but people saying a lot these days without confirmation
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 11/23/2017, 6:30 PM
Don't care. Pretty sure his cut would still suck ass. On top of that...it seems like Whedons reshoots couldn't really help with the bigger issues
CapHindsight
CapHindsight - 11/23/2017, 6:33 PM
"Marth(!) & Lois

This image which can be found in a trailer hints at a conversation between Lois and Martha that we assume wouldn't be as silly as what we got later on in the film. This moment could easily fit into the movie and story at any point in the movie. "

Yeah, but lot's of images could fit. But it's not just the martha-boxes.
A lot could've fit. But it had to be under 2hrs, so [frick] it.
CapHindsight
CapHindsight - 11/23/2017, 7:01 PM
Dude, I apreciate your effort on this article. Well made.
But it just has no foundation whatsoever.
At least better than another "glamour photo-shoot" or "10 awsome ways..." kind article.
aliharris
aliharris - 11/23/2017, 7:07 PM
@CapObvious - Thanks man. I realise now that the source I’ve used doesn’t have credibility and I will be editing the article shortly so I can explain.
aliharris
aliharris - 11/23/2017, 7:17 PM
A message to everyone reading, and in the comment thread. It’s come to my attention that the source I’ve used was nothing more than SPECULATION. I hadn’t known that when writing up the article and that’s no one’s fault but my own. I take complete responsibility and apologise to everyone. Thank you.
CapHindsight
CapHindsight - 11/23/2017, 7:23 PM
@aliharris - Good response!
kaijunexus
kaijunexus - 11/24/2017, 7:09 AM
Uh... Superman's wobbly lip is not a result of dialogue change. Cavill was contractually obligated to keep his mustache during reshoots, therefore they had to remove his facial hair in post. Everyone knows this.

Did you actually think they CGI'd his mouth to make it look like he was speaking different words and then ADR'd his dialogue?

That's stupid and this article is stupid and you should feel bad.
SeanIsStoned
SeanIsStoned - 11/30/2017, 12:56 AM
@kaijunexus - Man, that was mean...and 100% correct
SeanIsStoned
SeanIsStoned - 11/29/2017, 10:08 PM
Snyders version would have alot more ass shots of Wonder Woman, beautiful as she is, Id rather keep her as more than eye candy.
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