HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Showrunner Addresses Those Dark Scenes And Why It Might Be YOUR Television's Fault

HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Showrunner Addresses Those Dark Scenes And Why It Might Be YOUR Television's Fault

House of the Dragon came under fire from some viewers for featuring scenes many argued were too dark to see. Now, showrunner Ryan Condal has defended the series, explaining why it might be down to your TV.

By JoshWilding - Oct 26, 2022 07:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Game of Thrones
Source: Deadline (via SFFGazette.com)

Just like Game of Thrones before it, House of the Dragon has a darkness problem. We're not referring to the show's tone, though we could live with fewer gory childbirth deaths in season 2...no, it's about the action that's supposed to be playing out on screen. 

The seventh episode was deemed so dimly lit by some that there were claims online about it being impossible to see what was going on. That's a complaint Game of Thrones faced on many occasions, particularly during its battle scenes in later seasons. While some reactions were a tad over the top, the following is a good example of where those criticisms stemmed from.
 

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Yeah, you might need to turn your brightness up to figure out what's going on in that screenshot (we promise it's not just a black box). 

Talking to Deadline (via SFFGazette.com) following this past Sunday's finale, House of the Dragon showrunner Ryan Condal defended the episode and suggested viewers just need to correctly calibrate their TVs. 

Explaining that different distributors typically adjust what they're sent from studios, Condal believes those networks "compress the file differently," meaning what we're watching at home isn't necessarily what the team working on the HBO series saw in post.

"You’re also releasing it to tens of millions of different television sets that are all different technology, calibrated differently and set up differently in different viewing environments," Condal added. "It’s almost impossible to account for all those variables when you’re making the television show."

"I heard the note and we’re aware," he said of the criticisms. "But I will tell you that it looked phenomenal when we posted it and released it. And it looked great on my television, which has been professionally calibrated."

There are some interesting points here, but the biggest takeaway may be that the House of the Dragon team have taken on board what fans complained about. Not everyone has a "professionally calibrated" TV, so if the series hopes to keep its large, often record-breaking viewership, some changes will likely need to be made to avoid this problem in future. 

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FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/26/2022, 7:52 AM
I didn’t have any issue, so it’s definitely YOUR televisions fault.
BigPhilbowski
BigPhilbowski - 10/26/2022, 7:55 AM
Wait. Was it really as bad as the pic included for some people? Like I thought it's a bit dark but it was nothing like that on my TV
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 10/26/2022, 4:43 PM
@BigPhilbowski - Yes thats how it looks on my LG C1 on Dolby Vision - Filmmaker/Cinema Mode. If you watch it with any other picture setting you are not watching it in the way the original artist intended it.

I calibrated my TV to the Rtings and famous youtuber's recommended calibrated settings too. But I had to switch to "Cinema Home (a brighter filmmaker mode)" because I could not see anything but their white hair.
BigPhilbowski
BigPhilbowski - 10/27/2022, 6:24 AM
@mastakilla39 - that's actually insane. What's funny is the TV I watched on is some random make called denver that we got for the spare room because it was reduced to like 270euro for it. And it's a 56 inch or something. But the show looked great
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 10/26/2022, 7:57 AM
That's because people see 4K UHD on a Westinghouse, Vizio, or Insignia TV 60" TV and believe it will have the same quality as an LG, Samsung, or Sony.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/26/2022, 8:22 AM
@SonOfAGif - Exactly.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 10/26/2022, 8:29 AM
@SonOfAGif - That's a fair point but the showrunners should have that in mind though. Not everyone will have the best TVs out there and not everyone will watch this series on a TV to begin with. HBO should be adapting to the consumer's needs and not the other way around.
FriendoGhus
FriendoGhus - 10/26/2022, 11:54 AM
@Urubrodi - so an artist should compromise thier vision because people don't know how to set their TV's properly? It doesn't take professionally calibrating your tv but most people prefer over saturated pictures with contrast enhancer on and all sorts of BS your tv doesn't need, you can't ask filmakers to account for all of that imo.
FriendoGhus
FriendoGhus - 10/26/2022, 11:55 AM
@SonOfAGif - and most people either use the stock setting on their TV's or set them horribly.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 10/26/2022, 1:36 PM
@FriendoGus - What artistic vision? This is made for TV and even worst for streaming where it gets down sampled even more. They are not making some great work of art, they are shooting a tv episode for the "masses" it should've been shot and lit with that idea in the 1st place to look passable on all tvs or even mobile phones. Ep. 7 was shot during the daytime and post converted to night at a nit level that was even below HDR or Dolby vision standards so if you watched it in 4k that is the worst format to see it in.

Its a dumb ass statement to blame your average consumer for a stupid creative decision that even if they raised the nits to a minimal standard for HDR/Dolby Vision it wouldn't have changed any of their artistic choice and allowed consumers a better viewing experience.
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 10/26/2022, 2:39 PM
@FriendoGus - Well if you can't see the artistic vision, then yes. If you need a better TV or to calibrate your TV because of one episode when everything else is fine, then there is a problem.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 10/27/2022, 2:37 PM
@Urubrodi - It goes back to the whole 4K push when it was in it's infancy. Companies kept pushing 4K but cable companies, movies, and shows were not being filmed in 4K. So until the entire industry converted to that format we began to see true 4K quality images. But at the same time if a show is shot in 4K or with Imax camera and you and I own a high quality TV that shows it perfectly we shouldn't be held back by people who are using a 1080p TV with a 4K Roku player.
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 10/26/2022, 7:59 AM
“professionally calibrated”.

He’s sounds like an asshole.
generictheeric
generictheeric - 10/26/2022, 8:01 AM
"What, you don't have a professionally calibrated TV?"

Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 10/26/2022, 8:04 AM
Mock him all you want, but this actually happens.

Dunno how you can fight this problem tho, i have my own set-up and can't be arsed to change shit for a single episode of a random ass series.

I mean, yes there are easier ways but i'm too lazy and ain't nobody got time for that.😂
Urubrodi
Urubrodi - 10/26/2022, 8:25 AM
@Doomsday8888 - "Dunno how you can fight this problem tho" Not trying to sound like a smartass, but maybe they shouldn't make such a dark episode XD. This already happened on Game of Thrones, and honestly I don't remember hearing similar complaints on other shows or movies, so to blame on the audience's lack of better TVs, is a poor excuse in my opinion.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 10/26/2022, 8:39 AM
@Urubrodi
No i feel you, you're not being a smartass but the thing is, even for GoT's last season, they shot scenes during the night, it's a way to make everything more natural and raw, scenes in the dark tend to stand out more, cause you might end up not being able to see shit, but in reality i reckon we rarely get to see things like the directors intended, it's like we all have our very on filters 24/7 on our tvs.
Saintsinnister
Saintsinnister - 10/26/2022, 8:05 AM
Maybe look at the show on a regular consumer friendly tv before you release it? It also doesn’t help when you shoot day for night. Looks muddy. But that’s a small complaint about a phenomenal show.
DarthNihilus
DarthNihilus - 10/26/2022, 8:05 AM
My TV didn't have any problems
Lemons
Lemons - 10/26/2022, 8:21 AM
So do they expect everyone to have professional TV calibration? That's just stupid.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 10/26/2022, 8:49 AM
@Lemons - No, they expect people to have TV's with their visual settings actually set, not just using whatever standard out of the box setting is already on. The amount of complaints would be minimal if people did this. Also, not having an off-brand cheaply made walmart tv helps too. We have LG and SONY tv's and actually set the visual settings ourselves and had no idea there were issues with the episode until we saw people crying online. I had to actually look up specifically what scenes they were talking about because it wasn't an issue at all for us.
Imprtracr1
Imprtracr1 - 10/26/2022, 8:53 AM
That's pretty elitist of the "show runner" in all honesty. I mean, I have a 77" LG C1 OLED and the stream has been graded too dark. It just is. The vast majority of people don't calibrate their televisions let alone have colorimeters to measure accuracy or nit output. It's just silly. Nor do we have professional grading monitors to watch what the production and editing teams produce in post. I mean, it's kind of just him stating "screw you all"
Vigor
Vigor - 10/26/2022, 8:59 AM
I have a 77 inch lg oled a day the episode was dark but the contrast was perfect. It actually looked beautiful. I don't think he's being elitist. I just think he is trying to create beauty and didn't want to be limited by cheaper TV sets. It's a similar problem with cyberpunk 2077 on last gen consoles. People want them to optimize but that sacrifices what the game was trying to do
philinterrupted
philinterrupted - 10/26/2022, 9:13 AM
@Vigor - that was the least of Cyberpunk 2077’s problems.
Vigor
Vigor - 10/26/2022, 9:38 AM
@philinterrupted - true
shadow314
shadow314 - 10/26/2022, 9:19 AM
Why is it only HBO/GoT that has this problem?'

Why not... just add some light.....
BB8ANG
BB8ANG - 10/26/2022, 9:33 AM
@shadow314 - Disney+ has similar problems. I remember The Mandalorian being too washed out and dark even on my 4K OLED.
Fares
Fares - 10/26/2022, 9:20 AM
If other series/movies have good-looking night scenes on all TV screens, and your own show has night scenes from other episodes that actually look fine on all TV screens, I wouldn't be so quick to blame the TV screens.
sully
sully - 10/27/2022, 2:23 PM
So many different televisions with so many different settings, blah blah. I mean it's pretty simple, don't film dark as f*ck scenes. I could hardly see nearly half of every episode. I shouldn't have to watch a show in complete darkness just to view a scene. I'm glad I'm not the only one with this frustration. This equally applies to blinding-white snowy/winter scenes as well.
r1g0r
r1g0r - 10/29/2022, 1:56 PM
Soo...

They filmed it right, and everybody's TV is wrong.

Hmm...
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