DAREDEVIL: Marvel's Website Removes Bio Suggesting Netflix TV Series Is Canon In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

@Urubrodi - not to sound like Wildling, but common sense says that the shows aren't Canon. The variants explanation makes it all palatable so we can move on and continue with cox in the MCU

@Vigor - I don't disagree with you, it is the most likely scenario, but my point is that unless Marvel makes an official statement, articles like this will keep on happening.

@Urubrodi - As long as Wilding is a contributor to this site, articles like this WILL keep on appearing. 😉

@Urubrodi - Yes they had.
Charlie literally said he is not playing the same Matt.

@TheHumanSpider2 - No he didn't. He never said the words "this is not the same Matt Murdock" or "that show wasn't canon."

He said it doesn't make sense to pick up from right where the show left off and then elaborated it's because of the time that has passed.

@CurlyBill - yup

@lordSTALE -
I thought New Kingpin was nigh invulnerable.

@lordSTALE -
Dude is juiced on something, that's for sure. He took a number of arrows. But let's not also forget that Kate Bishop was 10 feet away from an explosion that would have ruptured her eyeballs.

Willing suspension of disbelief in full force

@lordSTALE - Hasn't there been a 7 year time jump since the events of Daredevil Season 3? It's not out of the question that Fisk got even stronger (like he did in the source material by reaching peak human form) or got his hands on serum.

Vincent himself stated that it was discussed with the showrunners that this is the same Kingpin that was in Daredevil. It's the same guy but he's lost his power and wants to get it back.

I'm not saying that's official confirmation that the shows are 100% canon since they could always decide to pick and choose what they wanna keep.

I'm saying that until Kevin or Marvel officially state otherwise, the shows are currently canon. That was the last official statement that was made about them; they're set in the MCU. You need another official statement to confirm otherwise.

@lordSTALE - If Vanessa and/or Matt got snapped, he has reason to break out. Him stopping wearing his cufflinks represented him breaking away from who his father was. Him wearing them again implies he's embraced he's just as terrible. Why would they even bother to include them if they wanted to push that it ISN'T the same universe? Fisk could've gotten stronger like in the comics by working out more or by taking a serum.

They never said Wesley was his ONLY friend in the show. Fisk grew his criminal empire from somewhere, and the Tracksuit Mafia were small scall enough for him to start. But once he got political influences from all around, he didn't need them. As a result, they didn't go down when he went down, and he went back to them and helped them grow.

Now I'm not saying 100% of this is what happened, but from the clues and context given in Hawkeye (and by what Vincent said), and the fact that years have passed: nothing has been irreversibly contradicted that can't be explained away if they want to try.


Context matters: Charlie said it wouldn't make sense for them to pick up where the show ended, but he mentioned the time pass. "It’s a good moment to have a few years [pass]… It’s reimagined. It’s slightly different." Yeah people change after years have passed. Marvel Studios can take Matt in a different direction.

He also added that since the MCU is currently focused on multiverse stuff, it wouldn't make sense to pick up from right there.

Marvel removing that from the bio only means what I've already implied: they're legally in a dispute about it atm. Otherwise the answer is as clear as yes or no as when Fiege was asked about Venom being canon.

He never said the Disney+ shows are the first shows in the MCU. He said they're the first shows where the plots of those and the movies are directly INTERLINKED. As in you need to watch Wandavision and Loki to understand Doctor Strange 2. We already knew that wasn't the case with the previous shows, which were mostly self contained stories.

You're the delusional one for ignoring the simple fact: What Kevin says goes, and until he says otherwise, they're currently canon.

Jesus Christ you sound offended.

@HOTSHOT - No that's just stupid, because Hawkeye takes place long after everyone came back and as soon as everyone did return that ultimatum would be reestablished. Vanessa would be criminally vulnerable so Fisk would have to go back to jail. If Matt vanished, one of the first things he'd do upon coming back would be to check on the ruthless tyrant that knows his identity and actively wants him and his friends dead. Try again

They SHOWED that Wesley was his only close relationship, before that story. He only had Vanessa after Wesley's death. Try again

They deliberately showed Fisk was much stronger and more invulnerable on purpose to show that he's a variant and this very story proves that it's not the same Matt. Disney clearly made Marvel change that description on the website. Get over it

I love how you even quoted the "reimagined" thing 😂😂😂

But since you clearly need Feige's words on it. Here is literally the last thing he's said on the topic:

"And it all, for the first time, [the shows] will interlink. So, the MCU will be on your TV screen at home on Disney+ and interconnect with the movies and go back and forth."

https://comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/wandavision/kevin-feige-says-marvels-disney-shows-will-be-the-first-time-tv-shows-have-tied-into-the-mcu-a172169#gs.vtq58m

So before the Disney Plus shows, there were no television shows that interlinked with the movies. Nate Moore said something similar in the first 5 minutes of the Assembled episode for Falcon and Winter Soldier. Disney has for almost a year now placed the Marvel Television shows under the label "Marvel Legacy" and NEVER under "Marvel Cinematic Universe". And now Disney forced Marvel to remove No Way Home from Netflix Matt's history. There couldn't be greater signs and direct quotes that say those shows aren't canon. But please sit around and wait for quotes that could possibly be more specific

I'm not offended, I'm just tired of trying to show the light to the delusional. It's like arguing that the earth is round to flat-earthers, it's so annoying. "Until Feige says flat out that... wait, not like that... he has to say it this way..." 🤦🏽‍♂️

@lordSTALE - That ultimatum would be established unless Fisk has moved on from Vanessa, or she left him, or he was able to hide her, or she died. Either that or they're at a stalemate that has to be determined if and when they continue the story. Can you tell me this 100% impossible to do? Nope. Try again.

"I love how you even quoted the "reimagined" thing "

Yes, it's almost as if I'm making a point how reimagined doesn't mean "make it non canon" within the context of that interview. Way to go, buddy!

Speaking of mentioning stuff, I love how you mentioned the word "interlinked" which supports what I said. These are the first ones to interlink with the movies since their plots affect them. The Netflix shows were self-contained stories that didn't impact the wider MCU. No mention of them saying they're not canon.

"There couldn't be greater signs and direct quotes that say those shows aren't canon."

Yes there could:

"Are they canon?"
'No.'

I already gave you very reasonable explanations for all of this that you conveniently ignored. Nice try though.

And yes. Fiege literally has to say the shows aren't canon for them to be not canon. "Oh but he said these shows tie more directly and Charlie says reimagined therefore that's makes them officially non-canon. I know there's no reason why wouldn't just say they're not canon directly but trust me bro lmao"


They SHOWED Wesley was his best friend. Not that he had zero allies during his years before gaining power. Try again.

They were literally asked if Fisk's newfound strength means he's playing a new version of the character and this was the response:

https://twitter.com/driiftyfilm/status/1474077771391455233?s=20&t=IxwnCNazrA04wW5jdmtogw

Try again.

@HOTSHOT - I'm tired of explaining how the earth is round to the delusional today

The Feige and Moore quotes were perfect, Disney's actions with the streaming service is clear as day, and then you have this story. Don't try again, you're pathetic enough and I'm tired of this psych ward visit

"Until Feige says flat out that... wait, not like that... he has to say it this way..." 🤦🏽‍♂️

I love how I did this and you still came back with almost literally this anyway 🤣🤣🤣

NOT Listed in the MCU category:
Literally any of the Netflix Marvel shows

Listed Under "Defenders Saga":
Other Non-canon Marvel content

You:
Still living in fantasy land

Anyway I'm done trying and I'm not coming back, get the last word if you must, also try to learn to take an L. Make sure you keep your tinfoil hat nice and tight, fingers firmly in your ears because the next few years will be rough for your delusions. Bye 👋😂

@MrKeyzerSoze - always top tier tv