LOKI Director Believes Kang Scripted The Entire Infinity Saga And Shares Her Thoughts On What Comes Next

LOKI Director Believes Kang Scripted The Entire Infinity Saga And Shares Her Thoughts On What Comes Next

Loki director Kate Herron reveals that He Who Remains, a.k.a. Kang the Conqueror, scripted the entire Infinity Saga before meeting Loki, and Sylvie and has some interesting thoughts on what comes next.

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By JoshWilding - Aug 01, 2021 04:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Loki
Source: The Direct

The season finale of Loki changed everything we thought we knew about the Marvel Cinematic Universe with the death of He Who Remains and the birth of the Multiverse. This powerful Kang the Conqueror Variant revealed that while he'd been responsible for, well, everything up until his meeting with Loki and Sylvie, he has no idea what comes next... aside from countless conquerors, that is!

Talking to The Direct, Loki director Kate Herron elaborated on Kang's control of the MCU, and confirmed that, as far as she's concerned, the villain basically scripted the entire Infinity Saga.

"He says, ‘I paved the road, you just walked down it.’ I guess in theory, yeah, he would’ve scripted [the Infinity Saga] because by our show that’s what we’re saying," the filmmaker explained. "Everything has been predetermined by this one character, even if up to this point we’ve believed the characters have had free will. Which I think is kind of the fun rug-pull of our show, right?"

"I do believe that moment [when they pass the threshold], he is telling the truth where he’s like, ‘We’re in completely unforeseen time now. I don’t know what’s going to happen,'" Herron said of the Multiverse's creation. "Because there’s an interesting discussion at hand."

In the same interview, the director confirmed that the decapitated Time-Keeper did indeed whisper "See you soon" to the God of Mischief and his Variant, and Herron believes Kang has at least an inkling of what comes next (remember, he believes he'll end up right back in that Citadel). 

"My theory, how I interpret it anyway, is that he says he’s gone through every possible scenario. So he probably has an idea of what would happen if Sylvie won the fight, or if Loki won the fight, but he can’t quite predict it. He can’t write that, because obviously they’re their own people. In my head like, I’m like, ‘Oh, I think he planned to say ['See you soon'] to her, if that happened.’"

We don't know what will happen when Kang the Conqueror starts to make his presence felt in the MCU, but it's not going to be good for Earth's Mightiest Heroes. Kang is, without a doubt, a villain with the potential to be the next Thanos and the architect of, oh, how about Secret Wars?

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Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 8/1/2021, 4:42 AM
So He who remains is secretly Kevin Feige?
IronDean2099
IronDean2099 - 8/1/2021, 4:51 AM
This notion is going to divide a lot of people. I already hear chatter about how this show undermines the stakes of the movies. Now the whole saga wasn't even in Thanos' control anyway? Some will take that in a negative way.
dragon316
dragon316 - 8/1/2021, 4:59 AM
@IronDean2099 - shouldn’t be surprised it how marvel did good work with taskmaster and manderian hulk in end game Thor be laughing joke of drunk.,

People all ready act that way with movie reviews and scores movie get good reviews and score they will see it movie gets bad score and reviews they will not see it how do those stupid idiot people know if movie is good or not if they have not saw it living there sad pathetic lives of hand strangers who do none them as person letting critics and reviews tell them what do in life what movies they should see did critics and reviews tell people who get measured how many kids they should have what job they should get where to live hell no so don’t same stupid thing idiotic thing with movies
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/1/2021, 5:07 AM
@IronDean2099 - it shouldn’t . People are gonna say the characters didn’t have free will but they did , TVA/HWR just pruned every choice they didn’t see fit. It makes sense with new context loki brings to the MCU
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:19 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - yeah thats how I see it too. And in that sense he didn't script anything, he just tore out that page of the screenplay if he didn't like where that was going (an evil Kang in this case)
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/1/2021, 5:36 AM
@bkmeijer - the MCU equivalent of holding the last page you were at in a choose your own adventure book. Every time he hit the snake pits he just went back to where he last left off and did the other choice lol
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:43 AM
@ShimmyShimmyYA - and when he finished the book, he's like
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/1/2021, 5:51 AM
@dragon316 - It did good work with those things?
Origame
Origame - 8/1/2021, 6:51 AM
@dragon316 - hey, you used a period. Good for you. Don't know why there's a comma after it, but we got a punctuation. It's a miracle.
GreedoSarducci
GreedoSarducci - 8/1/2021, 8:46 AM
@dragon316 - punc... tu... ation...
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 8/1/2021, 9:00 AM
@dragon316 - the hell you are mumbling again?
Fogs
Fogs - 8/2/2021, 5:49 AM
@IronDean2099 - well, the point is the infinite timelines. It's pretty obvious what we've seem was from a non-pruned one.

The thing is understanding the infinite number of multiverses happening. We've seen one of them.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 8/1/2021, 4:54 AM
I can smell a "MSheU" comment coming
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 8/1/2021, 11:56 AM
@WakandanQueen -

What does kang overseeing the infinity saga have to do with “msheu”?
Origame
Origame - 8/1/2021, 4:57 AM
I think it's way too soon for all this. I don't mind having a threat blatantly shown to be greater than Thanos and the infinity stones, but this is way too soon. This phase should really be about setting a new status quo for the universe/multiverse then the NEXT phase starts hinting at something greater.

Look at phase 1. We didn't know anything about Thanos until the end credits of the last movie. And there all we knew was that he was behind the loki invasion.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 8/1/2021, 5:09 AM
@Origame - it’s funny cause I remember feige saying they were holding off the overarching big bad thing in phase 4 and we immediately have kang
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 8/1/2021, 10:36 AM
@Origame - @ShimmyShimmyYA - It's also too soon to think we know where this is leading us. It's all speculation at this point still.

Phase 1 was unique as it was the original storytelling of the MCU. They were just getting off the ground. We're at new altitude now and will only ascend from here since the stories are expanding and giving us more content of the big picture. Between phases may level out a bit as it transitions, but I don't think we'll ever drop to a Phase 1 status again. We're at a much different juncture of storytelling for that to happen. And as far as we know, Kang isn't the big bad. He could be the Loki of Phase 4. It's actually quite plausible someone like Doctor Doom is filling that role.
Origame
Origame - 8/1/2021, 10:49 AM
@Tonic24k - and it's all speculation that you think actually talking to me will amount to me actually addressing your arguments ever again.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 8/1/2021, 11:12 AM
@Origame - If you're scared, say you're scared.
Origame
Origame - 8/1/2021, 12:20 PM
@Tonic24k - scared isn't the reaction you'd make when presented with a whining child who won't listen.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:12 AM
Of all the things one could choose to focus on, i'd rather open-up on the fact that...regardless of what "He who remains" has seen/knows or THINK he knows...
Well, the way i see it, he actually died.

Like, he could believe that he'll come back, that's why he's not even afraid in the face of certain death, but that is HIS misunderstanding of things.

I mean, i guess...i'm merely pulling my comicbook knowledge here, so i guess we'll see, but "being brought back to life" through Multiversal shenanigans or timeline reboots is different than...like how Jean comes back to life thanks to the Phoenix Force, or Ra's al Ghul thanks to the Lazarus pit, you feel me?

This is like the same thing as President Loki dying as opposed to our current Loki or the Endgame Loki.
Or shit, even Sylvie!
Aaaall variants of 1 single character but still...very different people.

We have lost OUR Loki in Endgame.

So i think that's very interesting and one of the things that people -usually- won't even bother err...noticing and that's a shame.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:21 AM
@Doomsday8888 - I doubt he means that he specifically gets resurrected. My guess is that it's more than eventually a version of Nathaniel Richards is gonna end up as the final survivor of a Multiversal was.

He's just really sure of himself as a person, that he thinks every version of him is superior
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:22 AM
Ooor you know, maybe he knows all this but still doesn't care.
But i have read enough Madrox comics to know that a clone or variant would absolutely care.
If i were in his shoes, i would choose to live and my clone can eat shit!!! >:(
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:23 AM
@bkmeijer
Ya beat me by 1 sec! :P
But to my viewer friends, beware!
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:39 AM
@Doomsday8888 - maybe he doesn't care anymore because he's been going mad for being alone so [frick]ing long at the end of time.

And yeah, if my variant is evil, he can eat shit too
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:18 AM
Still not on board with the whole everything is predetermined ship. He didn't even script anything, he just had the TVA intervere if a timeline neared a red line
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:38 AM
@bkmeijer
"He didn't even script anything"

I think he did tho...right?
What were all those papers otherwise? Like when he showed to Loki and Sylvie what they were about to say etc...?

HOW he does that, how something like this would even work actually, is...something that they chose not to show, which was ehhh convenient, but i'll allow it, too delicate of a subject to inject in a season's finale not to mention that they've still probably trynna figure it out, soooo...

But actually, since we're talkin about it, if not for that pathetic ass reveal of the timeline diverging from one another etc...i would easily say that to do something like THIS, on THIS scale, like to handle the fate of countless shit happening both on a macro and micro-level.
That this kinda job is for one who is above a 3rd-Dimensional realm.
I guess you could pull a -lol- deus ex machina, but for real, like basically a machine that does the heavy lifting for "you" and you just have to type certain things, but that would be...boring af.

So i don't think HWR was doing anything, he thought he was tho.
One Above All can't be topped, he's the real God/Creator.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:41 AM
@Doomsday8888 - Kevin Feige is the One Above All of the MCU, and I hope he starts making cameos too.

But the papers with the words on it is a good point, maybe it were just really good guesses or just bluffing.
LiteralSense
LiteralSense - 8/1/2021, 5:45 AM
@bkmeijer - “He didn’t even script anything…”

I think he is giving free will to those that follow the path he sees fit. There are many timelines he sees and prune the ones that veers of from his.

I don’t actually think he is like a writer of a movie where he creates a character and makes them do whatever. He just steers people in certain direction and outcome he wants.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:46 AM
@bkmeijer
"I hope he starts making cameos too"

One medium at a time!


:P
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:46 AM
@LiteralSense90 - yeah that makes the most sense. If something does lead to the red line, he's probably cool with it.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 8/1/2021, 5:47 AM
@Doomsday8888 - it's that uncanny Feige distracts me from it, but that visor really looks a little dumb in my opinion
dagenspear
dagenspear - 8/1/2021, 5:50 AM
@Doomsday8888 - No. He didn't. What he did was prevent things from going other ways, in other potential timelines. He didn't predetermine anything that happened. He just clipped things that happened that weren't those things.

I think those papers were a transcript. Something that had happened, that he was reading off.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:50 AM
@bkmeijer
You're right, but it was just for a party....i hope. :P
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 8/1/2021, 5:53 AM
@dagenspear
He could be lying of course but he makes a whole deal about predeterming this and that.
Shit, look what the director is saying.
I dunno what to say, man.
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