LOKI Season 2 Premiere Extended Sneak Peek Shows Kang The Conqueror Reigning Supreme Over The TVA

@FireandBlood - Off-topic, change your username? I like it. On topic, I don't necessarily think so. Voldemort and Vader lost in their first appearances but came back worse than before. Something similar will most likely be done up until Kang dynasty.

@FireandBlood - loki was a different variant. It was He Who Remains.

Each Kang that shows up is a different variant. So we will see. Kang is the antagonist and driver. But I don't think killing him solves the issue (which is multiverses collapsing and the end of all things) because another Kang can just show up

We all have to stop thinking of Kang as just another thanos or loki. His place in the plot is more similar to galactus. It's less about stopping Kang (because you cant) but more about solving the real issue

Since replies don't want to work. Kang the CONQUEROR lost to some [frick]ing ants lmao

@ElvenKingSlayer - My understanding from season 1 was that originally there were all these different timelines, each with their own Kangs all vying for control, leading to the War of Kangs. Ultimately He Who Remains (or whomever he was he became HWR, could be The Conquerer, could be The Beyonder (which is my guess), etc.) was the last one and systematically pruned all the other timelines (and their associated Kangs) until only one time line remained which became the Sacred Timeline. Then HWR formed the TVA as a sort of policing service to eliminate new branching timelines as they arise, and as long as HWR was around, the maintenance of the Sacred Timeline was manageable by the TVA. However with Sylvie killing HWR that was no longer possible (kinda like dumping a jar of marvels on the floor and trying to catch them all). Hence the Multiverse.

So my guess is that by the end of the Multiverse Saga there will be a new Sacred Timeline, which will essentially be Marvel's way of softly rebooting the MCU by them keeping what they want from the past and introducing new characters and elements that they want to be part of the MCU moving forward (such as mutants possibly for example). If that's the case, then that begs the question: will the heroes have to ultimately defeat ALL the Kangs but one to become the new HWR to monitor the new Sacred Timeline or will that be a different (i.e. non-Kang) character? Hell it could even be Loki, but I don't know if Marvel wants to take a character that popular off the paying field right now.

Anyhow, that's how I understand it all. I could be way off so I'll just wait and see how it all plays out.

@StSteven - only thing I'd add which is pure speculation, is that loki could achieve his glorious purpose by becoming The Beyonder

I don't know how he would get the power to literally shape a universe but they've positioned him to be that character.

I mean why introduce yet another all powerful character when you could just use a popular one you already have

@Vigor - Me Steven like talk MCU words good too!

@kg8817 @Vigor - "It’s more like the sacred timeline was picked to be the only timeline and if anything deviated from that, they were sent to Alioth." Yep, that's what I'm saying. Like, we don't know what the origin of the original Multiverse was (with all the different universes each with their own Kang), but after HWR got rid of them all except for the one he chose to be the Sacred Timeline (I'm assuming his original universe) then after that as new timelines branched off from the ST they were pruned and their associated variants ended up on the Void. But as for now, we don't know what predated the ST other than there were a shitload of other universes with their own Kangs. We don't know what happened to the variants there as their universes were eliminated but my guess is that they (along with the Kangs) were just destroyed when their universe was.

My guess is that the Void/Alioth was created by HWR along with the TVA when he established the ST and it serves as a sort of trash bin. Kind of like on your computer when you delete a file and it first goes to "Trash" where it's technically still on our computer, but then you periodically empty your "Trash" and it's gone for good which was how characters are able to be pruned (deleted) but still can return from the Void (which it looks like we'll see again in "DP3". But that's just how I interpret it.

As for Tobey and Andrew (as well as the villains from their universes) along with all the other universes that we've seen so far (like the ones in "DS:MoM") I think that it could be a couple of different explanations:

1. When Sylvie killed HWR and the ST started branching uncontrollably all those universes started sprouting up and running according to their own concept of time (assuming that they didn't exist before) which is how even though those universes have only existed since Sylvie killed HWR we had 2 Spider-Men who were older than our 616/199999 Spidey. This would also suggest that time is then relative to your particular universe. What I mean is that if the main MCU universe was the previous ST, this would explain how we now have all these other universes that are well developed and not just in their infancy. That being said, it's possible that the main MCU timeline WASN'T the ST and it's just another branch that started when the rest did. Likewise, it's entirely possible (and likely) that it won't be the new ST after "A:SW". But I think that that causes a time paradox because Loki (in the show) came from a branch off the main MCU timeline and so it would have existed before Sylvie killed HWR, implying that it was the previous ST, unless there are some time shenanigans going on that I don't even want to think about.

2. When we saw the ST it appeared to not just be one strand but a bunch of them kind of woven together (if I recall correctly), which could imply the ST isn't just one specific universe but a handful of them that are very closely related and don't deviate from each other in any meaningful way. This would explain the multiple Spideys who although they differ in some ways, all share the main components that define Spider-Man, so they are deemed a threat to the ST and therefore weren't pruned at one point. In this case, tie could then move at a consistent pace across the Multiverse making it a Multiversal constant which could be addressed in "Loki S2" as there appears to be a time traveling element to it.

3. Some other explanation that I'm not thinking of because I'm not stoned 😉.

Either way, hopefully "Loki:S2" will shed some more light on how all this works because these are burning questions that I have in my life that I NEED answered otherwise I won't be able to continue to function as a (somewhat) normal and contributing member of society.

@Deklipz - Wow, you're a fast reader (actually I'm impressed anyone had the fortitude to make it through all my rambling there 😉). If you're referring to after the events of "A:SW", yeah a Multiversal Illuminati would make sense vs. a single person (especially a Kang variant) being left in charge of whatever remains, whether it's a single universe Sacred Timeline, one made up of multiple universes woven together as I was saying above, or something else entirely. Plus, as we assume that the Kangs will be the big bads of "A:KD" and that it's likely that a super powerful one will be the Beyonder in "A:SW" and presumably the big bad for that movie, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for the surviving heroes to just put him in charge of the resulting ST at the conclusion of "A:SW", unless he somehow has a major change of heart at the end and saves everything, thereby demonstrating his worthiness to rule over the ST (still that would be a major character shift in a short period of time, but it depends on how he is portrayed initially (i.e. how evil he actually is)).

Still, the problem is that by having a single person in charge presents the same possible vulnerability as with HWR where it only took Sylvie toil him, so having an actual counsel in charge would be a safer bet. And- what? What's that? Uh, the Illuminati of Earth-838 said thatchy would like to have a word with about that...