Kevin Feige Explains Six-Year Wait For New AVENGERS Movies; "They Should Be The Capper To A Saga"

Kevin Feige Explains Six-Year Wait For New AVENGERS Movies; "They Should Be The Capper To A Saga"

Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige has elaborated on Marvel Studios' decision to end The Multiverse Saga with two Avengers movies, explaining a new approach to Earth's Mightiest Heroes moving forward.

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By JoshWilding - Jul 28, 2022 06:07 AM EST

During Marvel Studios' Hall H presentation at Comic-Con last weekend, Kevin Feige announced that The Multiverse Saga will end with Phase 6 and the release of Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars. We're already nearing the end of Phase 4, and it feels like we're racing through this era of storytelling thanks to the MCU expanding to the small screen. 

By the time the next Avengers movie comes out, it will have been six years since Avengers: Endgame arrived in theaters. It also means Earth's Mightiest Heroes won't assemble at all in the current and next Phases, but Feige shares a compelling explanation for this in the video below.

"The truth is, when we were doing Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3, there were less projects over more years," the Marvel Studios President explains. "They were smaller projects and individual character stories, and it felt appropriate at that point, that after every two or three years that it took for a phase, we would do an 'Avengers' film."

"As [Phase] 4, 5 and 6 were coming together, there are more projects in less years – because of all the amazing stuff we’re now allowed to do on Disney+, and getting characters from Fox, Fantastic Four and Deadpool - that it felt like, certainly after 'Infinity War' and 'Endgame,' that we thought 'Avengers' movies aren’t cappers."

"So many of our movies now - Multiverse of Madness' and what you’re about to see in ['Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania'], all are big team-up films introducing big parts of the mythology," Feige concluded. "'Avengers' films really should be the capper to a saga."

This makes sense, and Feige confirming that Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania will be "a big team-up" movie is definitely interesting. Could another MCU hero make an appearance in that threequel? The trailer shown at Comic-Con confirmed Scott Lang is enjoying the notoriety that comes with being an Avenger, anyway!

As for Earth's Mightiest Heroes, we may be waiting longer than usual to see them, but Avengers; The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars are coming out in very close proximity. 

As a result, we can look forward to two Avengers movies in 2025 on May 2 and November 7.
 

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CyberNigerian
CyberNigerian - 7/28/2022, 7:04 AM
I don't know. I feel like it should be a longer gap...make it more special.
KWilly
KWilly - 7/28/2022, 7:17 AM
@CyberNigerian - Last Avengers movie was 2019. Next one is 2025. That's more than enough of a gap for me to make it feel special.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 7:21 AM
@CyberNigerian - I also think that Thunderbolts is going to be an "Avengers-like" movie and that it's not a coincidence that it's the final project of Phase 5.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 7:47 AM
@thewanderer - I'm hoping Thunderbolts will be advertised as a new team of heroes to us. And in the movie their whole shtick will be that they are filling the gap the Avengers left.

But then at the end of the movie.....we all learn they are villains in disguise.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 8:01 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I'm expecting something similar. That the public name of the Avengers has been dragged through the mudd, and Val brings this group of heroes to the government to be the new officially government backed super hero group, but they aren't the heroes they are pretending to be.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 8:07 AM
@thewanderer - Right. And it wouldn't surprise me if they kind of combine Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers by making this team look like Avengers. If you think about it, you've got US Agent, Abomination, Black Widow, Zemo, and Taskmaster. All of these people could basically dress and fill the spaces of known Avengers characters. Cap, Hulk, Widow, Taskmaster could be Hawkeye. So they would look familiar to the citizens in the MCU.

But personally I want them to be brand new heroes in the movie, and I want them advertised like that to us in real life too. Then pull the sheet back at the end and show who they really are.
lvcl
lvcl - 7/28/2022, 8:54 AM
@CyberNigerian -

You're right, produce Secret Wars without the X-Men is a wannabe.
OmegaBlack13
OmegaBlack13 - 7/28/2022, 12:32 PM
@CorndogBurglar - I would love that but I think it’s harder with the way films are marketed. “This is the lead character, no we will not tell you the actor that is playing them.”
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 1:23 PM
@OmegaBlack13 - Yeah, that's a good point.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 7/28/2022, 7:12 AM
Obviously we shouldn't expect that just because something mostly worked for the Infinity Saga that it's bound to work best for each Saga and by this point, I have confidence in Feige to mostly deliver and know what's better. But yea, this has to mean big team-ups and crossovers need to happen over "solo" films and that certain characters may have only one major appearence (in whatever solo sub-franchise's line-up they are part of) before appearing in TKD and SW.
SpaceAgent
SpaceAgent - 7/28/2022, 7:12 AM
Pretty sure that they are gonna hold off on the X-men for three main reason:

1. To create a longer gap to the previous movies made by FOX
2. So they still have a lot of creative IP left in the tank for the next 10 years of Marvel movies.
3. So they can make mutants and all the X-men related stuff the primary focus of whatever comes after all the stuff they just announcened.

After Secret Wars and all the universe clashing shenanigans, the mainline universe will be rewritten and mutants come out of the woodworks earlier in the timeline in this newly formed universe.
So they WILL intrduce modern mutants in the MCU throughout phase 5-6, but hold on to legacy characters like Prof. X, Magneto and Wolverine until the Multiverse Saga is done.

So the first and next generations of the X-men won't be our introduction to mutants, rather they will be the mutants we will be introduced to way farther down the line after having already met the more modern type mutant characters

What do you think of that?!
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 7:22 AM
@SpaceAgent - I think the X-Men will be introduced before Secret Wars, but they won't be the main focus of the MCU until Phase 7.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 7:51 AM
@thewanderer - I don't think the X-Men should ever be the main focus of the MCU. Their movies and stories should take place in their own corner of the MCU and only cross over with other non-mutant MCU people in big Infinity War and Endgame style movie.

The X-Men are always at their best when they aren't actively involved in the wider Marvel Universe. They have their own crap and villains to deal with. Not to mention, I don't want to see wider MCU essentially be placed on hold while we pay all the attention to the X-Men. It's a balancing act.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 8:04 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I don't think the wider MCU will be put on hold, but I do think Saga 3 is going to be something to the effect of "The Mutant Saga" and be X-Men heavy and also deal with the world fearing and struggling to accept mutants, and how the Avengers also deal with that.

I think we'll get another Civil War among the Avengers, and it will be over how to deal with mutants. And the Saga ending in the MCU's version of Avengers vs X-Men.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 8:43 AM
@thewanderer - That does make sense. But I also can't shake the news that Marvel trademarked "The Eternity Saga" at the same time we learned about they trademarked The Multiverse Saga, which was just last week.

And Feige said a long time ago that they always have about the next 5 years of planned at any given time. Which tells me they already know what the next Saga is going to be, and feel confident enough about it to trademarked the name.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 8:46 AM
@CorndogBurglar - oh it's Kevin Feige. I'm sure he has the next 4 sagas mapped out in his head, lol.
heisei24
heisei24 - 7/28/2022, 7:14 AM
Makes me wonder if they use this approach for, say, Age of Ultron, what would an 'Ultron' saga look like?
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 7:20 AM
@heisei24 - that would be interesting. I do think we haven't seen the last of Ultron, and could see him back by the time Secret Wars is here.
KWilly
KWilly - 7/28/2022, 7:19 AM
Honestly, there's really only one way they could top the scale of Secret Wars. And that's Marvel vs DC.



But it'll never happen... Right?
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/28/2022, 7:39 AM
@KWilly - Avengers vs. X-Men maybe?

Saw someone suggest on here that they could combine that with the Dark Phoenix saga, and I think that is actually a pretty cool idea
Arthorious
Arthorious - 7/28/2022, 7:52 AM
@KWilly - who knows, WB is getting passed around like a blunt, so maybe Disney might be the next ones to own them. Shoot they got the money for it.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 7:55 AM
@KWilly - They don't need to top the scale of the Multiverse Saga. As long as the next sagas are equally as interesting and threatens the existence of Earth as we know it.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 7/28/2022, 8:55 AM
@bkmeijer1 - that’s probably a better way to incorporate the Phoenix saga into the MCU.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 7/28/2022, 7:19 AM
I would rather get 5 solos then an avengers film that ties all the previous films together. That’s what I liked about the infinity saga
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 7/28/2022, 8:03 AM
@slickrickdesigns - I'm thinking it will still go that way. There still isn't an Avengers Team right now. So either the movies and shows between now and Kang Dynasty will start dropping threads, kind of like Nick Fury showing up in Iron Man's movies, or after credits scenes will drop hints at someone building a new team of Avengers. I'm thinking Captain America 4 will play heavily into that.

So either we'll see them all come together in Kang Dynasty, or we'll see Falcon-Cap form the team at the end of his movie and they'll be ready to go when Kang Dynasty begins.

The name New World Order could mean a few things. It could mean there's a new villainous group trying to change the world. Something similar to Hydra maybe. It could mean something Multiversal happens that changes the course of the world.

OR....it could mean a new Avengers Team comes together to build a New World Order and make sense of everything after the world has gotten a little more chaotic since the Fall of SHIELD and The Snap.
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 7/28/2022, 8:53 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I was hoping the new world order would involve a multiversal hydra cap (Chris Evans) vs Captain Falcon (Mackie).
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/28/2022, 8:59 AM
@CorndogBurglar - I think New World Order probably refers to something Nazi-related, like Hydra or Sin.

As for the new team, I could see him step into at the end of the movie. From Shang-Chi, we already know Carol and Bruce are already doing some recruiting. So maybe Sam is next on the list?
thewanderer
thewanderer - 7/28/2022, 7:19 AM
yea, he said this on stage Saturday night. Old news.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/28/2022, 7:41 AM
I'm still not sold on almost every movie being an event movie now, but I get the reasoning behind this. The only way to have an Avengers movie one-up any other event movie, is by having them cap of a 20 or so movie saga.

I do still wonder if this approach is a result of the Fox merger. Guess without those characters, they may have taken longer with this Saga and have more Avengers movies.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 7/28/2022, 8:10 AM
Stop making every movie an event, this is why MoM and Love and Thunder were disappointing. Just tell a good story ffs. That's what made most of phase one and two great.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 7/28/2022, 8:15 AM
@bobevanz - Were either of those films really events? MoM was kind of pitched and advertised as such but that's not reflective of the final film. Love and Thunder always felt like a very standalone and personal for Thor film.
Jefferys
Jefferys - 7/29/2022, 1:42 AM
@WakandanQueen - I couldn't agree with you more and I pwould say that if anything, MOM was like Civil War in a way where that was very much a Captain America film at heart but featured other characters quite naturally. Like Strange had a big lesson learnt in the film which makes me curious to see how it progresses.
Oh and L&T was absolutely the most stand alone Thor film! The rest had connecting plots to other storylines - Thor 1 was heavy on the Avengers connection. TDW was the proper start to Infinity Stones and Ragnarök had the Hulk team up which both bled into IW.
Vigor
Vigor - 7/28/2022, 8:39 AM
If avengers movies end sagas. And the next saga after secret wars is likely about mutants....

Then Avengers: vs. XMEN
As the 7th Avengers movie makes a lot of sense
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/28/2022, 9:01 AM
@Vigor - was thinking something like that as well. Wonder if we'll ever get Galactus though? Can't really see Galactus/AvsX work as a two-parter
Vigor
Vigor - 7/28/2022, 9:34 AM
@bkmeijer1 - as a fantastic 4 sequel perhaps. I don't think galactus has to be a saga ender, nor an avengers movie. But could have avengers as major characters within a fantastic four movie with galactus and silver surfer
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 7/28/2022, 9:38 AM
@Vigor - I think it could work as a Fantastic Four movie as well.

Kinda like how Civil War was already pretty laden with characters, I could see Fantastic Four 3 do that as well. Same with Captain Marvel 3/The Marvels 2, which I think it could focus on Annihilus.
Vigor
Vigor - 7/28/2022, 9:48 AM
@bkmeijer1 - perfect
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