THANOS The Main Villain In AVENGERS 3? How About NO!

Agreed

i agree 100%, although when everyone does finally duke it out with the mad titan it will probably be an avengers film because it being an avengers film would bring in more money. i want phase 4 to be one big event with the cosmic universe reacting to thanos's acquisition of a infinity stone. i wish i was in charge of marvel because what im imagining in my head is awesome.

i want to see cosmic chaos as thanos subjugates races, destroys planet all for the infinity gauntlet so that he can show his love for death. i would start phase 4 with a thanos origin story done like thanos rising in flashbacks which ends with thanos getting his hands on his 1st infinity stone. the follow it up with a guardians, nova, captain marvel and inhumans film where everything starts to inter connect. for example nova appearing in captain marvel, the kree appearing in inhumans and the avengers joining the battle.

i also though about having the skrulls be like they are at the start of infinity, broken in loads of diffrent tribes fighting each other for power that are united by thanos. then after thanos is defeated they have emerged as a entirely new threat separate of thanos.

Add inhumans to that list too, I hope they show up in the MCU and we get some announcements soon

DrKinsolving Did you read the editorial?

personally i would like to see the avengers fight the kree in avengers 3. they can do what they tried to do in earth's mightiest heroes. it would be a good way to introduce carol and mar-vell to the avengers (hopefully they would have already had a film) and it opens up the cosmos to the avengers. and it could end with Mar vell going home to explain his actions only to have the supreme intelligence inform him of a new much bigger threat, Thanos.

@sikwon Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I expect Marvel would want to put it out soon, in case they can't get Downey Jr, Evans, Hemsworth, and the otherS back for it. I hate when people say they want Cap to die in Captain America 3, because you need to have him lead the Avengers into battle with Thanos, especially since Tony will be hogging the spotlight in Avengers 2. Cap needs his chance to prove he is the best leader there is, and that the whole "he's a strong man on the inside" theme from The First Avenger is still true. I'm getting a tiny bit off topic, but it all connects to their battle with Thanos. Avengers, the Guardians, possibly a team up between all the nine-realms, the Nova Corps, the Inhumans if Marvel moves forward with their movie, Thanos can't be depowered, and I think that all the work Marvel is putting into setting Thanos up is an implication that they have a huge plan to make Avengers 3 the best movie of all time.

honestly I am not a big fan of the constant teasing especially considering Marvel's track record with Villains. The longer they hold him off the more of disappointment he will be if they don't handle it right.

Long time reader and admirer of the insights the CBM community has to offer us fans. This is also my first post. So let me begin by simply saying I love both perspectives @superotherside and @GliderMan had to offer and as a fan I would be good with either one.

From strictly a business perspective I would have to say @GliderMan makes a very plausible and valid point. Its all about what sells and unfortunately Thanos hasn't been given the necessary character development to carry a tent pole himself...at least not yet. Nevertheless, having the Titan take the mantle as the main protagonist in A3 would still be epic.

This is a great time to be a comic book fan across the board no matter what your preference. I am just glad too be around to enjoy in all the festivities.

@superotherisde Thank you! finally someone who is on the same page as me!
What would be awesome is if Thanos, instead of wanting the infinity stones right away, is strategically allowing other people to possess the stones, and then like you said he is powerful even without the stones, korath confirmed this in gotg. So when the time comes in the final battle of the final battle (after all the other heroes have faced him down and been pimped slapped across the cosmos, after the emodiments of the universe challenge him) he will have 6 infinity stones possessed by 6 people opposing him and he will show death how much he loves her, they will fall to his power.

@GliderMan Have you read Thanos Quest specifically? Read that then come back and talk to me.

He doesn't have to be behind the curtain. He just doesn't need to get the Infinity Gauntlet yet. Part of the reason to have the whole Infinity Gauntlet story is not that someone gets the Gauntlet it's that he gets it and how he gets it and who he is. There is no character progression like I want it if he's just a big bad that wants power "because". As much as I liked Ronan in GOTG, they didn't go into why he was doing what he was doing. If they do that with Thanos, it may be a good film but it will be an opportunity wasted!

Your point that Thanos isn't "known" isn't a valid point. Marvel already proved that GOTG wasn't known and still made a ton of money. People have been crying for a Loki movie, so yeah having an "evil" character have a film isn't impossible. Plus he wouldn't be doing anything where it would be like, "Man that guys the villain so it's unbearable to watch him as the main character, it would be him collecting the gems from other "bad guys". Something the audience would go along with." So yeah, no point here. Moving on.

Having Thanos just pop in other movies is okay as long as it's the right movie. I would love it if Thanos does pop up in a movie and gets to be a fan favorite and then gets clamoring for a solo movie. This would be great. That's what I'd do first. Introduce him and give him an arc as one of the main characters, then once he got popular give him a solo movie. GOTG weren't even popular and yet they have already done better than the first Iron Man! Which is a much more popular character. I honestly think if Marvel does a film most will go see it now. No matter what it is. GOTG proved that.

Since the rest of your points are just talking about how hard stuff is to balance let me give you a view of my plan.

After Age of Ultron I'd announce Avengers 3 wasn't going to be with Thanos. So people would get used to the idea. (Most have gotten used to Stark creating Ultron instead of Pym.)

Give Thanos at least a supporting role in GOTG 2.

Do an Inhumans movie and Nova.

Other Avengers movies. (Ms. Marvel, Black Panher, etc.)

Then I'd use someone else for Avengers 3 as the villain. I'd like to do something with the time gem so possibly Kang?

Then after Avengers 3 tease a bigger villain.

Finally after everyone has tossed around these stones. From one to another person everyone cheating everyone to get them then one does.

This would be the story of a Thanos movie. How he outsmarts each of these powerful individuals.

Then finally have a two part film of The Infinity Gauntlet.

Please don't tell me that a two part film wouldn't work. People may complain about the LOTR/Hobbit Trilogy but everyone went to see them despite they split it up all the time.

My movie list:

2015

May 1: The Avengers: Age of Ultron

July 17: Ant-Man

2016

May 6: Captain America 3

July 8: Doctor Strange

2017

May 5: Black Panther

July 27: Guardians Of The Galaxy 2

November 3: Black Widow

2018

July 6: Inhumans

November 2: Nova

2019

May 3: Avengers 3

2020
Thanos Of Titian

2021
The Infinity Gauntlet Part 1
The Infinity Gauntlet Part 2

Part 1 would be the heroes and villains getting together, even fighting each other to go take on Thanos while it would also tell the story of Thanos contemplating his new found power. This would make it very interesting movie in itself. Plus all those too many characters? Well, Thanos would kill off half the universe. So... there wouldn't be as many characters as you think... Just use the main ones. I'd use:

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Black Bolt
Star Lord
Rocket
Drax
Gamora
Nova
Scarlet Witch
Vision
Hulk
Adam Warlock

And have the rest of the characters "killed" for Death. This would get rid of the other characters that would hamper the story.

Part 2 would be the grand final Thanos takes on the entire universe.


The biggest problem is that everyone expects Thanos to be the big bad in Avengers 2. Story telling isn't doing what people expect. Plus this way it gets them to have more movies. I mean these movies aren't going to be unsuccessful. Plus it's not really delaying it that much longer than it was in the first place. I'm delaying it 2 years more. That's it. Just so that we can build up to Thanos in the right way.

Honestly if Thanos is in Avengers 3 I think it may be more crowded than my plan!

Imagine everyone saying that Guardians and Avengers will be in the same movie with Thanos as the main villain? Sounds too crowded to me. This is why the event movie would be there to deal with all the main characters of each franchise have them finally agree to team up (everyone wants them to fight), then have them take down the bad guy.

That is how it should be done. And if it isn't, I'll hope for the best but I still think they'll be missing great opportunities here.

I'll mention all those on my article just so that they also hear what I had to say:


@Insomnia
@kinghulk
@DrKinsolving
@marvel72
@DrDoom
@TheAbaryMan369
@EdgyOutsider
@gamecreatorjj
@ScottMontgomery
@Knowhere
@homodrome

But to wrap this up with another thought... I'll ask you a question.

Who needs a movie?

Technically no one.

Did Green Lantern need a movie? Some might say yes, but because of the wrong direction it failed. So did it need a movie in the audience's eyes? No.

Did Guardians Of The Galaxy need a movie? Most would say yes, but that's because it went in a new direction and everyone loved it. So yes the audience would agree it needed a movie.

Two similar movies one that is based off a more popular character which had a bigger fan base but failed because of the wrong direction. Characters don't need movies. Story tellers do. The audience does. It doesn't matter what character you have, it's how you tell their story.

And that is how any story becomes successful or unlucky.

So don't judge that this character doesn't need a story because he's not "big enough". It's not what you are selling it's how you sell it.

And if Marvel did this, it would work.

The Avengers seems to mean something else in the movies as it does in the comics. The definition is still afloat a bit. The future movies will tell.


The timeline actually fits for a two part Avengers 3. All the stones will probably be introduced by then (Strange, Inhumans, Black Panther, Thor3?) and we get a two act structure where Thanos first picks them up one by one and the heroes try to stop him individually or haphazardly and then after they all fail you end the first movie with the death of half the galaxy, boom, black screen. (Let's get some Empire Strikes Back type of shock going.)

They could just as easily shove it back a couple movies. Its all down to Marvel Studios. Do I want to see Kang before or after Inf Gauntlet? I don't particularly care, I just want to see them both. I'd say before, but they'd've been doing Thanos bits for something like five years already then. Depends on audience reaction I'd say, if the train starts slowing they need to let the hammer drop.

@superotherside:
How dare you exclude Strange?! :P

@superotherside

your list is similar to mine except i went to 2028 which feige stated he planed towards.

SO here is my plan for the MCU:

PHASE 3:
2015
Antman

2016
Cap 3
Dr Strange

2017
GOTG 2
Thor 3- ends off the thor-loki-thanos arc. Massive battle between thanos and thor on asgard. Loki becomes master of the dark arts during the movie.
Black Panther

2018
Dr Strange 2
Incredible Hulk 2 or team up movie with Hulk and iron man
Nova

2019
Avengers 3: vs Kang or Red Skull

PHASE4:
Thor 4: Ballad of Beta Ray Bill (Surtur Saga part 1)
Captain Mar-Vell

2020
Black Panther 2 or a team up movie with Captain America
GOTG 3
Hercules

2021
The Inhumans
The Warlock Chronicles
Thor 5: The Children of the Flame (surtur Saga part 2)

2022
Nova 2
Dr Strange 3
Ms Marvel

2023
Ant Man 2
Captain Mar-vell 2
Namor


2024
Avengers 4:vs the first confrontation with Thanos but not the last (Thor not on the roster)
Thor 6: The Strings of Fate (Surtur Saga part 3)
Warlock Chronicles 2

2025
New Avengers
GOTG 4
Nova 3

2026
Quasar
Warlock Chronicles 3
The Thanos Quest

2027-2028
The Infinity Gauntlet parts 1-3


I will make my own editorial to explain some of choices i made and why. Plus it will also include Tv shows which to me will encompass everthing supernatural and street level.

@ Glider

I agree with you on a lot of your points. I think Avengers 3 will feature Thanos as the main villain. I don't know why some people want to wait six to fourteen years to see him as the main villain. None of us are getting any younger. Neither are the actors. There are plenty of villains that can give the avengers a hard time after thanos. It doen't all have to end with him. I do think they will really shake up the avengers roster after avengers 3 though.

I also don't need to see a stand alone with him. But thats just a preference. They could do it, and they could do it great. I would just rather they dedicate a movie to other characters.

There are a couple of things that I disagree with though.

I do think they could make avengers 3 a two parter. I don't know how likely that will be, especially with actor contracts involved. But I don't think its completly out of the question though. We've seen harry potter, twilight, hunger games and the hobbit do the same thing. It also allows more development of the plot and the characters.

Also, I would like to see a team up with guardians of the galaxy and the avengers in the third installment. I would be very difficult to use all the characters but I think it can be done.

In my opinion, I don't think you need to give every character an arc. In most movies, there are usually only three to four characters that get an arc. I don't think every character needs to get fleshed out, especially if thats not what the movie is going for. I think the movie will focus more on the event.

And I think Marvel can get away with this because many of the characters they use have their own franchises. Other movies don't really have that factor. We don't need to see major character development from Iron man, Captain America and Thor because they'll have entire trilogies dedicated to their development. Thats not to say one or two of those characters can't have a major arc in the movie, I just don't think all of them need to.

I think Days of Future Past is good example of what avengers 3 can do. Theres about 20 comic book characters in that movie. They all get a chance to shine. But it places its main focus on about four of them. And in my opinion, it works.

For avengers 3, I would have the avengers team up with the guardians against thanos. I'd even have the defenders and other characters make very brief cameos. I would have character arcs for the characters that represented their teams. For example, you could have arcs for Captain America and star lord, the leaders of each team. Or you could just focus the simillarites and differences of the two team dynamics. I think its all possible to do and do well. It would be challenging, but given the right directors and writers it can work.

Its all just my opinion though, no need to agree. In reality, Marvel can go in any number of directions. We just have to wait and see.

I apologize for the long post

@ Glider

I don't consider those other teams avengers as well. But there have been plenty of times in the comics and in animation where the avengers have teamed up with other teams. Thats how i would look at avengers 3. The avengers would still be their own team, they would just be working with other teams.

Look forward to your editorial!