CAPTAIN AMERICA: NEW WORLD ORDER Will Pit Sam Wilson Against Harrison Ford's General "Thunderbolt" Ross

CAPTAIN AMERICA: NEW WORLD ORDER Will Pit Sam Wilson Against Harrison Ford's General "Thunderbolt" Ross

Captain America: New World Order producer Nate Moore (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever) has teased the conflict at the heart of the movie, suggesting Sam Wilson will come to blows with General Ross...

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By JoshWilding - Nov 01, 2022 08:11 AM EST
Source: Collider

We followed Sam Wilson's transformation into Captain America in The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, and it's clear Marvel Studios has big plans for the hero beyond that Disney+ series. 

For starters, his story will continue in Captain America: New World Order, a movie that's shaping up to be much bigger in scale than the TV show. The Incredible Hulk star Tim Blake Nelson will return as The Leader, while Harrison Ford is joining the MCU as General "Thunderbolt" Ross following the death of actor William Hurt. 

One popular theory online is that this next Captain America adventure will set the stage for some sort of World War Hulks project. We'll see, but producer Nate Moore has now teased New World Order's central conflict. 

"Well, look, Sam Wilson's Captain America, he is going to bring his own team to play," he tells Collider. "It's no secret that Samuel Sterns is making his return to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which is fantastic because Tim Blake Nelson's the best."

"Harrison Ford is taking on the role of General Thaddeus "Thunderbolt" Ross, and to see Sam Wilson and Thunderbolt Ross, which if you remember actually threw him in prison at the end of Civil War because he violated the Sokovia Accords," Moore teased. "There's going to be some natural sparks there, which I think are going to be really fun."

So, Sam and Ross will butt heads. That's no great surprise given their history, and we're sure the General will have plenty to say about the former "criminal" wielding the shield as Captain America. Ross certainly had little in the way of respect for Steve Rogers, so we're guessing the mantle doesn't mean all that much to him. 

That could explain why he's potentially working with The Leader to create a whole new breed of Super Soldiers, something he's wanted to do ever since The Abomination was made in The Incredible Hulk.

In the same interview, Moore confirmed that Captain America: New World Order is in pre-production and will start shooting next Spring. That puts the movie on track for its May 3, 2024 release date.

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BringFFtoMCU
BringFFtoMCU - 11/1/2022, 9:01 AM
Gee...that's neat.
Unites
Unites - 11/1/2022, 9:04 AM
No way? You are telling me that the hero of the story is gonna fight the confirmed villain of the movie? I didn't see that coming.
Mrtoke
Mrtoke - 11/1/2022, 5:40 PM
@Unites - it says Ross is the confirmed villain?
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 11/2/2022, 1:40 PM
@Mrtoke - 🤦‍♂️
RedHood92
RedHood92 - 11/1/2022, 9:23 AM
They're doing Civil War II
defenderofthefaith
defenderofthefaith - 11/1/2022, 9:31 AM
So if they fight then Harrison needs a bull whip in one hand and a lightsaber in the other.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 11/1/2022, 9:45 AM
@defenderofthefaith - Don't you mean a DL-44 Blaster Pistol?
defenderofthefaith
defenderofthefaith - 11/1/2022, 10:08 AM
@soberchimera - well Han Solo did use a lightsaber once.
RegularPoochie
RegularPoochie - 11/1/2022, 10:40 AM
@defenderofthefaith - or...

RealTurner
RealTurner - 11/1/2022, 9:50 AM
Just saying--William Hurt died at 71. They have replaced him with someone who is currently 80, with presumably the intention for him to be in at least two movies, the first of which isn't out for 18 months or so. But... okay? Geek cred on the pick but I'm honestly surprised Ford even signed up.

I mean, I'd only hope I feel up to being in a Marvel tentpole at age 80. I hope they want me to be. Probably not, although they'll probably have run through everyone in Hollywood by then.
Matador
Matador - 11/1/2022, 9:57 AM
@RealTurner - his last hurrah?
vegetaray
vegetaray - 11/1/2022, 10:05 AM
@RealTurner - In all fairness, Ross will likely be Red Hulk in very short order…Since they felt like they had to recast instead of introducing an outright new character, they probably wanted to pull somebody that had a build in prestige among the geek fandom…Ford checks that box and it’ll be extremely easy to move away from him by keeping the character in CGI if the horrible happens and he can’t stick around for multiple appearances…
RealTurner
RealTurner - 11/1/2022, 11:52 AM
@vegetaray - I'd be pretty surprised if they are planning anything more after the 2 appearances they have planned. Just kinda strikes me as a little odd, but maybe 80 is the new 70. Or 60.
RealTurner
RealTurner - 11/1/2022, 11:52 AM
@Matador - Let's hope it goes better than Sean Connery's did.
Matador
Matador - 11/1/2022, 2:29 PM
@RealTurner - will have to wait and see in Indy 5.
JonC
JonC - 11/1/2022, 6:24 PM
@RealTurner - I would be surprised is Harrison appeared in more than 2 movies.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 11/1/2022, 9:52 AM
Doesn't Sam Fake Cap Wilson have his own villains? Thunder Bolt Ross and The Leader are Hulk villains, what's up with these characters taking villains from other heroes?
Matador
Matador - 11/1/2022, 10:01 AM
@IronMan616 - The writers:

marvel72
marvel72 - 11/1/2022, 9:54 AM
Hopefully Ross is Red Hulk and beats the shit out of pretend Captain America.
DanFlashesShirt
DanFlashesShirt - 11/1/2022, 9:56 AM
@marvel72 - shut up
mountainman
mountainman - 11/1/2022, 10:42 AM
@marvel72 - Yeah Sam as Cap sure seems like he’d have to be a street level hero. I can’t plausibly see him going up against any big threats.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 11/1/2022, 11:10 AM
@marvel72 - @mountainman - He's an Avenger, which makes him a global hero that has taken on bigger threats. If you've taken on Thanos, I think that qualifies. Y'all are being particularly harsh on Sam as Cap for no reason
mountainman
mountainman - 11/1/2022, 11:53 AM
@comicfan100 - Whatever you are trying to allude to isn’t the case I’m sure. I’m just pointing out his power set and the fact that he will not be able to directly take on big threats.

In Winter Soldier, he mostly was a distraction and played keep away with villains. Same with those he fought in Civil War.

I don’t particularly remember his impact in the battle during Endgame, but he certainly wasn’t a deciding factor or battling powerful enemies.

Look, I like Sam. He’s a cool character, but he has a pretty obvious lack of power. That’s why I said he should be street level. He can’t fight any Hulks that’s for sure.
comicfan100
comicfan100 - 11/1/2022, 12:39 PM
@mountainman - But he's been shown to be capable. And besides, his new suit is reinforced with vibranium. It would give him a edge. Sure, he isn't on the level of Steve, but there are street level characters that take on bigger threats all the time. Shang-Chi and Black Widow come to mind.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/1/2022, 2:49 PM
@comicfan100 - Maybe he just needs to get used to that vibraium suit. Like I said, he barely held is own against Batroc in the saeason finale. Plus he really needs covering for the top of his head. Its a bit ridiculous that such a vulnerable spot would exist.

We will see how it goes. Sam has some big shoes to fill. And Anthony Mackie hasn't really proven to be a leading man just yet. With the high bar the Russos and Markus/McFeely set for the franchise, I hope New World Order can live up but I'm in a wait and see mode until we get there.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/1/2022, 5:49 PM
@DanFlashesShirt - why,didn't like my comment.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/1/2022, 5:51 PM
@mountainman - Captain America is a goddamn Super Soldier, Falcon Cap has no enhancements, he would be like fight a civilian.
JonC
JonC - 11/1/2022, 6:26 PM
@mountainman - The same could be said of Hawkeye and BW but they did pretty well on a celestial threat scale.
mountainman
mountainman - 11/1/2022, 8:16 PM
@JonC - In the first Avengers it was somewhat realistic as they were acting on the sidelines. I found black widow fighting Ultron bots to be stupid. And when she was faced with Proxima Midnight in Infinity War, Wanda had to help.

I’m good with more humanized heroes, but to be realistic I want them facing threats on their level. You put a non-powered human against an incredibly powerful villain, and it is cheesy.
Matador
Matador - 11/1/2022, 9:59 AM
This movie in a nutshell:
DCfan84
DCfan84 - 11/1/2022, 10:03 AM
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 11/1/2022, 10:14 AM
Makes sense. I guess NWO and Thunderbolts will be a bit of a duology.

NWO will have Ross form a team of supersoldiers created by Leader (to counter Sam and the Hulks), and the Thunderbolts will be created after the Leader's team failed.

As for when Ross becomes Red Hulk, I'm not sure. Could see that happen at the end of NWO or in-betweem NWO and Thunderbolts.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 11/1/2022, 10:15 AM
They'll probably have a disagreement on how to handle The Leader, but this movie is pretty much just going to have him become Red Hulk at the end/post-credit to set-up Thunderbolts and that's about as far as the interaction between the two will go.

I'm expecting Ross to sacrifice himself or die during Thunderbolts redeeming his actions in The Incredible Hulk.
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