DC Artist Targeted for Harrassment by ‘Tolerant’ Liberals

@TheFamousJMC - there is political stuff on here pretty frequently. It's just usually slanted towards the left. Hoe many articles have we seen where: Gay superheros = good; Using non-white actors to play white characters = good; male superheros that get replaced by females = good. And so on. If we don't want things politicized let's make it across the board. I hope you get just as upset when they promote leftism.

@TheFamousJMC - Shame on ya. The article is espousing civilized behavior not a political pov.

@MuadDib - Actually, most are NOT. Most conservative Trump supporters hate neo-Nazis (who are loser, wannabe Nazis, BECAUSE REAL NAZIS EXTERMINATED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE) and white supremacists just as much as liberals. A very, very small minority of A-holes try to latch on to the "Trump Train" and are most certainly NOT welcome aboard!

@ChuckV - and what is the other side? The left claims to be tolerant. That is a fact. Aw far as I'm aware, no one is disputing that he was targeted by the left. Is the other side of this story that he deserved the threats? That the pizza place deserved the vandalism?

@MrTakoYaki - you are mistakenly clumping all left leaning people together which is as unfair as clumping all right leaning people together. there are many shades of each.

@JonC - yep. Absolutely agree with you there. just to be clear though, I'm specifically referring to this story though and those people who have threatened EVS.

@BuckyCap - See... already picking choosing what to read. Literally said a AFTER THAT "should we just ignore those antics??" - but you choose to turn my comment into something else.

@MrTakoYaki - "the conservatives aren't the ones going out and doing acts of mass violence. This is why the left has to invent terms like micro aggressions. all those mass shootings, almost consistently have been people proclaiming hatred based on leftist ideology."

Really?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/08/21/which-ideology-has-inspired-the-most-murders-in-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil/#1495d82f1e74
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-does-the-far-right-hold-a-near-monopoly-on-political-violence/
http://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-extremism-islamist-terrorism-donald-trump-steve-bannon-628381

Are you sure about that?

"The antifa? leftists that justify their violent actions because they claim conservatives deserve it."

Yes, one small group that is, for the most part, denounced by Liberals is a monolith by which all liberals must be judged. By that logic, can I judge all conservatives by the actions of Nazis?

"The crazier thing is you actually have politicians and professors promoting violence as a acceptable form of disagreement."

You mean like Trump who offered to pay the legal bills of the supports who attacked protesters at his rallies?

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/will-donald-trump-pay-supporter-s-legal-fees-643448899613

@ChuckV - I'd be interested in a specific comment Trump has made that said go out and cause violence against a specific group. Or are we talking because his language can be crude? promoting racism is one of those things that is also extremely subjective. Often times what amount to racism for the left is so and so disagreed with a by minority status. An example would be when Obama was president, the substance of many of his policies were atrocious for lots of people (and seen as good by others). Instead of discussing the issues, people that disagreed on substance of the policies were called racists. the left has overplayed that hand. It's like the boy that cried wolf. Trump got elected in large part because many people were fed up with that kind of thing. I disagree with the GOP on alot, but I think the whole leftist platform is a bane to society. I do agree with you that when both sides are doing wrong that both sides need to be called out. In this situation though we are talking about an artist getting threats for his viewpoints. Short of him threatening to go wreak havoc and cause violence there is nothing that can be used to justify that. Even if he had (and i have yet to see anything saying he did), the police are responsible for stopping criminal behavior, not liberal vigilantes.

@MrTakoYaki - “Most of the mass shootings in the u.s. Have been done by professed leftists.”

Most liberals are in favor of gun control. You keep making this claim, but haven’t backed it up at all.

“Nazis are socialists. That is a leftist ideology.”

If you believe that Nazis were socialists then you have a warped understanding of history. Yes, they called themselves “socialist” (because that was a popular ideology at the time), but they were considered a far-right group by the German people. Plus, their ideology was nationalist (another part of their self-professed title), which is a conservative ideology. Their whole political system was fascist (which is the opposite of communism on the political spectrum; both are abhorrent, yes, but communism is left-wing and fascism is right-wing). You can’t just claim that Nazis were left-wing because they called themselves “socialist” despite the fact that their whole belief system was conservative.

“that is another problem, I refuse to accept neo nazis or white supremacists as conservatives.”

Then I refuse to accept antifa as liberal. Fair?

If you can use the “no true conservative” fallacy, then I can use the “no true liberal” fallacy.

“Being more conservative does not make one more racist, so it's not even on the same spectrum.”

Unless you take a look at the beliefs of people who tend to support Republicans and those who tend to support Democrats. Believe it or not, the KKK and Neo-Nazis tend to vote conservative.

“In fact treating people differently based on race (a core value of leftism) is extremely racist.”

That shows a complete lack of nuance and understanding regarding progressive ideology. Progressives recognize that people are not born given a level playing field, and it seeks to implement programs to correct for that imbalance. Conservatives either (A) act like everyone is born on a level playing field or (B) are just so content with the fact that there’s a privilege with being born white that they don’t seek to change it. Liberals try to help people who have been harmed by racism; Conservatives deny the fact that racism negatively affects people.

“It's clear once these manipulations used in the article are addressed that the argument that conservatives are more violent than the left holds no water.”

You want some statistics that take into account injuries as opposed to just fatalities? Sure:

https://www.revealnews.org/article/home-is-where-the-hate-is/

To summarize: between 2008 and 2016, there were 115 right-wing extremist incidents on US soil (35 plots were foiled before they became violent). There were 79 deaths.

During that same time, there were 19 left-wing extremist incidents, resulting in 7 deaths.

@MrTakoYaki - “The point is the flaws in the article that you used to support your argument. It is clear manipulation of definitions and statistics. If you refuse to count certain actions, which the author clearly admitted, then of course you can produce any result. It's the epitome of confirmation bias. This is against the principles of research and no respected researcher would ever do it. In fact, in research, there is generally an effort to adjust for confounding variables that bias the results. Oddly enough, even after presenting this, you still use faulty statistics to back up your point. There have probably been 19 violent events from the left since Trump was announced as a candidate alone (UIC and Berkley being just two).”

Then, by all means, provide me with proof of your claim that liberals are more violent than conservatives. You keep making this claim, but you have yet to back it up. And you have yet to refute my claim other than to assert that the statistics I’ve provided are biased.

“List of avowed leftist shooters that you can look up yourself: Nidal Hasan, James Holmes, Seung-Hui Cho, Jared Loughner, Aaron Alexis, and Amy Bishop, and the multiple police shooters that were spurred on by black lives matters.”

Point? Listing the names of a handful of people doesn’t make a point. How many were there compared to conservatives? Anecdotes prove nothing.

Additionally, I’m unaware of any conservative or liberal professed political affiliations for any of the shooters you mentioned. None of them, without evidence, can be classified as liberal or conservative. The sole exception would be Jared Loughner who was actually a conservative.

“As far as counting antifa versus counting neo nazis, there is a huge difference. The difference is that conservatism and racism have no relation. There are people that are conservatives that are racist, just like there are democrats, but there is no correlation between racism and conservativism.”

Then why do the KKK and Neo-Nazis tend to vote Republican?

Why was racism a major indicator of Trump support? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/04/17/racism-motivated-trump-voters-more-than-authoritarianism-or-income-inequality/

Just because you say there’s no relation, doesn’t mean you’re correct.

“Again, proof of this is all the racist liberals.”

First of all, i reject your contention that all liberals are racist. And, second of all, even if all liberals were racist that doesn’t prove that conservatives are not. This is not proof and shows you don’t understand how proof works.

“In fact, the KKK was the militant wing of the democrats when most democrats opposed civil rights. Go figure.”

That’s true. Before the passing of the Civil Rights Act the South was mostly Democratic, and the North was mostly Republican. Is was after Civil Rights hit the forefront that we started to see this shift. Those opposed to civil rights fled the Democratic Party for the Republican Party, and now the Democratic Party tends to be on the forefront of expanding Civil Rights.

“You may try to defend liberal racism by calling it nuance, but racism by any other name is still racism. The idea of white privilege itself is a racist notion.”

Okay, now it’s clear you just don’t understand what you’re talking about. Some people are so accustomed to privilege that any attempt at equality sounds like oppression.

White Privilege is the concept that Society treats white people better than black people, generally speaking. I have certain advantages by being white that people of color lack (for example, I’m not followed around in department stores by security guards who assume I’m a thief because of my race). My school actually performed a study a few years ago: they had black people and white people drive through a city late at night. There was always a retired police officer in the car to ensure that traffic laws were being followed at all times. The black drivers got pulled over for no reason quite a lot compared to white drivers. But, yeah, there’s no benefit to being white.

“Liberals use racism to keep people on the government plantation. The war on poverty has been an abject failure because liberal politicians know that they need to have people needing their handouts so they can get votes.”

Or maybe people vote liberal because liberals actually care about minorities?

“Now, you can disavow the antifa all you'd like, but actually do fall on the spectrum of leftist belief. Marx talked about revolution and encouraged violence to do so. This is why in virtually every communist revolution, there is mass murder. Mao, Pol Pot, and Lenin, all murdered millions. This is why in the 1960's you had the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Army. This is the legacy of the left and it has never stopped.”

And conservative dictators have also advocated violence (Hitler, Mussolini, etc.). Every group has their extremists. You just want to reclassify your extremists as “not really conservative.”

“Many leftists professors and politicians act like violence is completely an acceptable form of disagreement.”

Really? Trump literally offered to pay for the legal bills of his supporters who attacked protestors. What liberal politician in America has done that?

“For example, if you don't like Anne Coulter, it doesn't mean you have the right to threaten violence and keep her from speaking.”

You’re right: no one has the right to threaten Ann Coulter. But I certainly have the right to protest her peacefully to keep her from speaking.

“You can't riot because you don't like what Trump says.”

You may protest, though. Notice, by the way, how the vast majority of the violent protests (for example, Charlottesville) were started by conservatives?

“Yet this kind of thing is happening. Any way, that's it for me. This conservation is actually turning into the length of a thesis at this point.”

That’s it for me too. It’s clear that facts don’t matter to you.

@Ha1frican - Honestly EVS harasses people just as much as he get's harassed. He's not some innocent nice guy that so happens to be conservative. He's a total asshole.

@knocturnalzen10 - "Because if you don't agree with me you're a Nazi!"

@MarkV - yeah very strange how many people don’t take kindly to Neo-Nazis and white supremecists rearing their pathetic heads in our country...