Should We Be Worried About Shazam?

Should We Be Worried About Shazam?

With DC setting itself up for a huge cinematic universe, one wonders how they can make room for all of the less popular characters of the publishers line-up. Do they just use every character they put in cinemas on one team as Marvel has done with the Avengers? Or do they leave the franchises separate? If they do choose to separate the characters by handing off the rights to film companies other than DC who decides who makes the cut?

Editorial Opinion
By huckfinnisher - Mar 14, 2016 03:03 PM EST
Filed Under: Justice League

 

 

 

I am confessedly a huge fan of Captain Marvel (now called Shazam everywhere but my heart) but even if I weren't I would still be confused by what DC is up to with the cinematic version of the character. After hearing the Rock's perfect casting as Black Adam I eagerly awaited any other news, and that is when I began to worry.


At first I was tickled pink that the Big Red Cheese was going to be a part of the upcoming Justice League franchise. I loved the idea because it is the perfect person for a film like this to follow. Billy Batson is much more of an everyman even than Batman despite Bruce's lack of superpowers. The innocence and naivety of childhood is the perfect lens to be able to capture how truly awe inspiring the League is. Not only that, but as the World's Mightiest Mortal, he was the only person who should have been able to rival Superman's powers. Sure you could say Wonder Woman is close and I agree, but I am speaking about Mortals, and Dianna is a demi god, if not an actual god herself. Supes is an alien, Dianna an Amazon, and Aquaman an Atlantean, depending on who you think that will round out the seven who are yet to be united, that only leaves three maybe four actual humans on the team. Out of them only the Flash and Cyborg will be at all relatable (unless you suffered a trauma in your childhood that left you with an unquenchable thirst for vengeance).

Relatability anyone?

 

Some may say it is not an issue, but look at the transformers films. (not that they are any good) and you will see they always include a human character. Somebody who is just as surprised at what is happening as you are, and that gives you an in. As it stands I don't know who this character will be in the Justice League. It seems though, that they may be leaning toward Batman to take this roll on. That also may be a reason for his inclusion in BVS, Supes is pretty unrelatable as an invincible sun god, but Bats you can at least see where he is coming from. Although Batman may work better than Superman in this role, it would be better suited for someone like the Flash or Shazam, as they are even more relatable and can be used to vicariously represent you in the story. Look at how mad people are about Clark letting his father die just to hide his powers. This is because the audience can't relate to that, and if they were in Superman's shoes they would not have allowed their father to die. Apply this same thing to MOS across the board, the destruction, him snapping Zod's neck, people can't relate to it, which is why they say things like "why didn't Superman just- fill in the blank-" But with Shazam in the film, with the innocence of a human child, he would usually act more similarly to how you would. This personalizes a movie in my opinion, the more I can relate to a character the more I feel for a character, giving the emotional arc more weight.

 

So imo they should definitely use Shazam in the movie, if only to show that there is a relatable human that exists that can rival the powers of this alien. Yet then I hear that the movie is being handled by New Line. Dwayne Johnson tweets #independence and my heart shrinks. This combined with the New Line president saying that Shazam will have “a tone unto itself” seemed to confirm my fears.

 

DC comics then seemed to contradict this by saying that Shazam will exist in the DCCU, but if that is the case, then why move the title to New Line, push it back, and reveal no new information about the movie? Also, saying he will exist in the DCCU is not the same as saying he will ever show up in a Justice League film or anything like that. It could just mean a cameo, or even worse just a quick casual mention like the Superman line from the terrible Batman and Robin. This worries me, only because I would have to guess they separated Shazam from the rest of the DCCU by sending it to New Line because they were afraid of conflicting tones. Meaning Shazam being a kid and all innocent does not fit with their vision for an overall serious Justice League movie. I think this is a mistake. The League and the Avengers both are better when their diversity (in terms of powers, personalities, and morals) is one of the main focus'. It is one reason why the group is so successful. If they neuter the DCCU's characters by having all the films have the same tone (not saying they will but if they did) it would take a lot of the fun out of it.

Another fear is that if the DCCU does not do well critically (we all know it will be a hit financially) will they even bother with making the movie at all? Or is New Line cinemas the insulator for DC if their plans don't go well? They could certainly put alot of second tier characters into movies at New Line while maintaining the seperation of brands.

Just to be clear, this article is about me worriying about Shazam the character being in the DCCU not worries about the quality of his solo film. We just don't know enough about the 2019 film yet to be anything but cautiously optimistic.

So what do you think, should Shazam be in the Justice league? If for nothing else then allowing Black Adam to be a villain for the Justice League because we all know he is one of the best villains DC has to offer and possibly the only Earthling villain capable of whooping Superman's a$$? Are you worried about Shazam?

 

 

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Scorpo
Scorpo - 3/14/2016, 5:07 PM
Just need to see him yell SHAZAM and I will be satisfied.
RandalCabbage
RandalCabbage - 3/14/2016, 5:56 PM
a lot of fake DC fans claim martian manhunter and captain marvel have no place in the DCU because they are "too much like superman"

it leaves me speechless....
DerekLake
DerekLake - 3/14/2016, 6:06 PM
I'm not worried, yet. We still haven't heard much about Flash, and that's the next movie up after Justice League. We haven't heard anymore about Aquaman, and nothing about Cyborg. So I'd just wait until we get closer to Justice League. Who knows, they might move Shazam over to WB proper if BvS and JL are huge successes. Shazam is still on the slate, and I think he could be done differently enough to Superman so as to be distinct (it's all in the execution).

I don't think either character are too similar to Superman as they both have unique power sets. I think the key will be to emphasize those powers more than the simple speed, flight and strength. For example, note how this Superman never runs anywhere. At most he zooms like Faora. That I think is intentional, to make Flash more unique. They could approach Shazam and MM the same way.

I think a lot of their inclusion depends on where this first story goes. MM and Shazam may not fit easily into it. I think Shazam would be significant enough a player to warrant quick inclusion once his origin is done. But I think MM should be introduced either in a future JL film or perhaps expertly included in one of the other solo films (Superman or GL mostly). With all due respect to MM fans, I don't know if his origin is doable as a solo film (his origin may come across as too similar to Superman's, if they follow it with the whole lone survivor angle).

In terms of how the League is being set up, MM may be more appropriate for a "slate 2" appearance, after JL2. That way, Supes remains the significant alien JL member/presence on Earth for a bit longer.
darthbatman93
darthbatman93 - 3/14/2016, 7:02 PM
This movie is 3 years out though.... Why would there be any major news on it already? The fact that The Rock confirmed is casting so far out is surprising honestly. I just don't see why everyone is worried about this movie. You have arguably this biggest name in Hollywood, The Rock, starring in this. It will happen. Also, the film was never pushed back and was always with New Line. Warner Bros. owns New Line. Therefore there is no issue with it connecting with the DCEU.

Tone also isn't an issue IMO. If they are going to do a Booster Gold/Blue Beetle film in the DCEU, then there is no reason that they couldn't do Shazam in the same universe.

So, all in all, Shazam IS part of the DCEU, and his film in 2019 could just simply serve as his origin story which would explain why we won't see him in JL 1. We could however see him in JL 2. That seems a lot more likely to me.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 3/14/2016, 11:59 PM
@darthbatman93 - If they are going to do Booster Gold/Blue Beetle in DCEU then why did they put Shazaam at another Studio? I never meant to say that they moved the film from WB to NL just that every other character in DCEU is (as far as we know) all the under WB studios. Why start to piece that out? I just am suspicious about that and why they would bother casting Rock three years out if they were going to do nothing else in terms of pre production on the film till late next year or early 2018.

And your right it was never officially pushed back but the Rock said this to a reporter who asked about Shazam whilst Dwayne was promoting San Andreas "No, I don’t think it’s going to be that far away. I think it may be … It’s going to be earlier than that. I don’t think 2019." Obviously Dwayne would know when he was scheduled to be shooting etc.I just think there was something to that and maybe they backed off it for some reason or another. I know its speculation, but speculation that comes from a source closer then either of us, the only cast member of the film so far. But he says the film was supposed to come out earlier, and I'm inclined to believe him.
darthbatman93
darthbatman93 - 3/15/2016, 3:08 PM
@huckfinnisher - Shazam wasn't "put" at another studio. He was there long before the DCEU was even a concept. The Rock and New Line have had interest in doing a Shazam movie for years and with New Line being a subsidiary of Warner Bros., WB let them use the character. Whether the film is being made at New Line or WB, it is still going to be a WB movie.

The Rock also confirmed that it exists within the DCEU when he said we will one day see Black Adam fight Batman and Superman. The reason The Rock was confirmed so early one was because he has been unofficially tied to this project for so long, they just wanted to make it official.

I also think that Dwayne misspoke when he told the reporter that it would be coming out early. Either he wasn't sure when the film was going to be released, because it is so far out, they don't have it on his filming schedule yet OR there were talks of pushing it up but with his busy schedule this year, and presumably next, they couldn't get it worked out.

Here is a link from a DC Comics stating that the entire slate of films revealed, which included Shazam, do all exist within the same universe: http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2014/12/23/ten-moments-that-mattered-warner-bros-announces-its-dc-entertainment-film-slate

So there is nothing to worry about this film. It is 3 years out and it is perfectly normal to have not heard anything about it yet. I mean JL and Wonder Woman come out next year and we still don't know much about those films. I have heard from multiple sources that the Shazam movie will serve as an origin movie so we won't see him with the Justice League until JL 2 at the earliest.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 3/15/2016, 3:28 PM
@darthbatman93 - AH I think I get your meaning now. Although it is still confusing. If they already had a planned Shazam movie at NL and then decided to make all of the other characters under WB, why not just move Shazam over so he could be at WB as well?

It is also odd that you are willing to take Dwayne's word as gold that he would fight Superman, but when he turns around and says its coming out earlier you suppose he must be mistaken. Just seems weird you would pick and choose which heresay to believe. Either the Rock knows whats going on and he is gonna fight Supes and his movie was supposed to come out earlier and ended up not being due to some problem we don't know of.

That said the Rock's schedule shouldn't have been a problem because of how long he has been involved in the project, but your right, it could have def. been down to they thought maybe they could make it earlier but Dwayne was already committed to another project. Still though you have to admit that something is up when you put all these odd inconsistencies together. Not being at the same studio as entire rest of DCEU, Rock's confusion about the release date, the somewhat contradictory statements about #independence followed by a vague confirmation, not that Shazam would ever appear in the DCEU, just that he does exist in that universe it is all very suspicious.

@WeddingTux, I would like his name to just be Captain Marvel, although I know that is impossible. If they end up calling him Shazam I am sure they will follow the new 52 route and mostly just refer to the Wizard Shazam as just The Wizard.

I actually like the Captain Thunder idea. It would be cool if he wanted to call himself Captain Thunder, but since everyone hears him say Shazam when he transforms (and Captain Thunder is a bit silly)they refuse to call him Captain Thunder and just call him Shazam. Could be a nice comedic scene. Calling him Captain Thunder would also hark back to flashpoint a bit and would further cement the DCEU as a alternate dimension to the comics.

As for the radio show bit, I bet you anything they turn it into a semi successful podcast as opposed to him being a child radio announcer. Although I really like the pirate radio idea, and it would make sense because he could be reporting stories nobody else will because of pressure from media controlling mogul Lex Luthor?! Thatd be pretty sweet.
darthbatman93
darthbatman93 - 3/16/2016, 4:10 PM
@huckfinnisher - I think the reason WB didn't take Shazam back was mainly out of courtesy. New Line and The Rock had been developing it for some time and I think they wanted to allow them to keep doing so but now make it fit into the DCEU.

I'm also not taking his word for gold... Like I said, I'm sure at some point they were considering moving the film up or something and it just didn't work out due to his scheduling and where DC and New Line had available to put it. With that being said, him fighting Superman doesn't necessarily mean it will happen in the Shazam movie... It could very well happen in JL 1 or 2.

But again, there is absolutely nothing odd about it being at New Line. Warner Bros. owns New Line. Therefore by default, the movie is at Warner Bros. It will have the same producers as the rest of the movies and DC Comics and WB themselves officially said on their website the movie is in the same universe. There is nothing suspicious at all and I think it is paranoia or unnecessary worry... Lol really, there is no way this movie doesn't happen so calm down.
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 3/15/2016, 1:19 PM
If the movie ends up being secluded to Fawcett City and nowhere else then there's no reason to think it won't just be an independent event happening elsewhere in the DCEU. And I honestly don't see Black Adam stopping by to wink at the camera in Justice League if every version of Shazam's origin story requires him to be hibernating in space until Captain Marvel is activated.

My question is: do you think they're still gonna call the main character Shazam if it's also the same name as the wizard, and the movie itself, and it's a needlessly repetitive catchphrase that people might get sick of hearing? How about calling him Captain Thunder as a reference to the nearly-identical copyright placeholder character that DC was using until they acquired the rights?



I mean, Captain Thunder does sound like a superhero name that a little kid came up with. And another thing this movie's gonna need is a killer soundtrack, because doesn't Billy Batson work for a radio broadcaster? Maybe throw in a B plot about a pirate radio station started up by him and the other orphans, kinda like Super 8 except with an A plot that plays out like a cornier version of Doctor Strange.
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