What If? Marvel Brought Everyone Home - Part I: Spider-man

What If? Marvel Brought Everyone Home - Part I: Spider-man

Unfortunately, it looks like Marvel won't be bringing the rights to Spidey, X-Men, or Fantastic Four back home any time soon. However, let's take a look at what could be done with those properties if Marvel got them back TOMORROW. We'll start with our favorite webslinger.

Editorial Opinion
By gabriellarkins - Nov 02, 2014 03:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Spider-Man

I'm a long time reader of CBM, but first time poster. I see a lot editorials flying around where people scope out their predictions for the Marvel and DC film universes and write up would-be plots for a lot of their films, but I feel like as much fun as those kinds of things are, they're mostly trying to do the studio exec's jobs for them. In true comic book fashion, what I'm talking about here is an alternate history, a "What If" scenario that will probably never happen (despite constant rumors), removing the weight of it really being a "prediction" and more of a wish list.

I would like to present to you an alternate future, a timeline that diverges from right now: let's pretend that tomorrow, Feige releases a statement. All of the Phase 3 announcements and Netflix shows and Age of Ultron footage was just to build up hype before this landmark moment: Marvel Studios has bought back the rights to ALL of their properties. Spidey, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and all related properties are coming home, and we're utilizing them ASAP. The Garfield-led trainwreck that is The Amazing Spider-man series is over. The X-Men web of retcons has finally come untangled. Reed Richards no longer looks like Reed Richards' scummy car salesman cousin.
 
What would Marvel do? How would they reintegrate these characters into their expansive universe? The answer is probably in a way much more clever than I'm about to propose, but I'm going to do it anyway. I encourage you to think about this as you read, and consider how you would handle both the storytelling and brand management sides of this situation, and possibly understand why Marvel Studios doesn't feel the need to throw their Disney Money around to get these properties back.
 
We'll start with probably the most popular of the three properties, and in my opinion (despite my love of the X-Men and my hatred of the current movies) the one in need of the most help, Spider-man:
 
I, like many, can't stand The Amazing Spider-man. The understanding of the character is completely off base, the villains are weak, the story is way too convoluted, the romance scenes are so quirkward that even Michael Cera is saying "We get it, you're awkward, move on", and can we seriously talk about that weird "No means yes" kissing scene in the first movie after he gets back from fighting the lizard? Like, really, how am I the only one bothered by that? Ew.
 
Now, the easy solution would be to say "Okay, Peter Parker's tired, let's bring in Miles Morales." Great! He's a popular character in the comics right now, we can inject some more diversity into the MCU, and the Russos have already worked extensively with Donald Glover so we can bring him in to play Miles!
 
There is nothing wrong with this solution, but I'm not a fan of the easy way. I want to see Peter Parker done right, which is something that we haven't really seen on film (even though Raimi's movies were much closer, they still had problems with the character's portrayal). So we're going to nut up, hit the drawing board, and make a big, awesome Peter Parker Spider-man story. On Netflix.

 
That's right, no more Spidey solo movies. The public is tired of them. Even if we got great writers and actors and everything, it still wouldn't sell well because Spider-man has fallen out of public favor. So we're going to go smaller, while also simultaneously going bigger. Netflix's "Peter Parker: Spider-man" finds the webslinger very much in a similar place to where he was at the end of the TASM series. Before the Battle of New York, Gwen Stacy has died, killed in a battle with Norman Osborn. In a rage after her death, Peter beat Norman within an inch of his life, leaving the Green Goblin comatose. Realizing that he can't protect the people his life as Spider-man puts into danger and shocked at the fact that he almost took a life, Peter Parker has hung up the costume. He hasn't been Spider-man in a long time. In that time, the Marvel Cinematic Universe as we've seen it has taken place. Seeing The Avengers and SHIELD on TV, Peter is glad to see that heroes are keeping the world safe, but doesn't see himself as worthy of the responsibility of being Spider-man.
 
Now, let's be clear here: there will be NO origin story. No Uncle Ben flashbacks, no Spider-bite flashbacks. As far as we're concerned the inciting incident here is Gwen Stacy's death. We don't need to see Uncle Ben die or Peter get bitten by a spider because we already know that story. Bare minimum, maybe an echo in Peter's head of Uncle Ben saying "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" to push him towards heroism once more. In Spider-man's absence, his old rivals have built a criminal underground empire, completely unchecked and beneath the notice of the Avengers. The Sinister Six run things in New York, afraid of nothing now that Spider-man is seemingly out of the picture, possibly dead. Aunt May, worried that Peter has been depressed ever since his girlfriend's death and thinking it's time he tried to move on, sets him up with Mary Jane, and she drags him out of his apartment to go see the sights. Through some incident (possibly MJ getting nabbed during a robbery while on a date with Peter?) Peter's heroic instinct is revived, and he realizes the deeper meaning to his Uncle Ben's iconic words. Just because he refuses to use his power, doesn't mean he can shirk his responsibility. The very fact that he possesses this great power automatically means he has a responsibility to use it, no matter what. His actions since Gwen's death aren't him protecting the people he cares about, they are him being a coward and hiding from the responsibility he has to the innocents of the world. The first episode ends with him resolutely stating "I am Spider-man."

 
The rest of the mini-series is a story about Peter rebuilding his skills and learning how to be Spider-man again. He starts a campaign against the Sinister Six, who at first don't believe Spider-man could have returned but soon realize that their criminal empire is in danger. The central plot of the series will involve Peter juggling battling the criminal underground of New York, holding down his job at the Bugle (he'd made a niche for himself as a photographer after the Spider-man well dried up, but now he has to deal with JJJ seeing Spider-man as a menace who abandoned the city when they needed him most), and reconciling his growing feelings for Mary Jane with his residual guilt after Gwen's death. By the end of the first season, the Sinister Six are behind bars, he has forgiven himself for what happened to Gwen, and he and MJ can finally build their relationship (possibly have the final confrontation with Doc Ock involve saving MJ by learning from his mistake that caused Gwen's death?) The final episode ends with Tony Stark (or Captain America depending on how things are by the end of Age of Ultron) meeting Spider-man on a rooftop and inviting him to join the Avengers. If Marvel wants to do a season 2, have a post-credits stinger of Norman Osborn waking from his coma.

 
Now we can have Spider-man appear in Avengers films. He can be called on in a time of need and enter the scene whenever necessary, helping to keep things under control at the street level alongside the likes of Hawkeye and Black Widow while the heavy hitters handle cosmic threats. Not only has Spider-man returned to the world, but he is now better than ever, and standing alongside the heroes of the Battle of New York. We continue the trend of no more Spider-man films. If more solo Spidey content is wanted, do a Season 2 where he battles Norman and Harry Osborn. Season 3 can finally do Venom right, Season 4 could redeem the Clone Saga by actually doing it well and allowing Kaine Parker into the picture. There are so many Spidey stories to tell, and I feel a television mini-series is the best way to tell them.
 
This is, obviously, a thought exercise and nothing else, but it's fun. I'm curious to hear what other people think. If Marvel got the rights back to Spider-man TOMORROW, what would you do with them? Sound off in the comments below, and don't forget to hit that thumb if you found this article interesting. Later, I'll be publishing similar ideas for the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.

Update: You can read Part II: X-Men, here
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RustyGeek
RustyGeek - 11/2/2014, 3:58 PM
Great editorial. Your ideas are really well thought out and i cant wait to see what else you have in store for both X-men and Fantastic Four.
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/2/2014, 4:11 PM
@RustyGeek

Thanks! I'm hoping to get my X-Men editorial up tomorrow or the next day. They're my favorites, so I want to put a lot of thought and care into it.
RustyGeek
RustyGeek - 11/2/2014, 4:13 PM
@gabriellarkins Well, i'm sure it'll be great. Who's your favorite and least favorite X-man?
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/2/2014, 4:15 PM
@RustyGeek

I'm a big fan of Gambit, X-23, Cyclops, and (more recently) Kid Omega. Not so big on Emma Frost.
RustyGeek
RustyGeek - 11/2/2014, 4:25 PM
@gabriellarkins Great choices! Yeah, im not nessecarily a big fan of emma either as in more recent X-comics shes moreso a "sexually based" character. I believe she can be utilized for much more but the writers are not allowing her to reach max. potential. I love the characters Marrow, Jubilee, Nightcrawler, Fantomex and Dazzler. My least favorites are more than likely Maggott, Sunfire and Cannonball.
TheRockmore
TheRockmore - 11/2/2014, 4:37 PM
Cool write up....but people need to stop casting Donald Glover as Miles...
ToxicCap
ToxicCap - 11/2/2014, 4:39 PM
Great read. You should do more 'What if?' Editorials.
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/2/2014, 4:40 PM
@Arrowverse He would definitely be too old for the teenage Miles we've seen in the comics, he's just everyone's go-to since the character was originally inspired by the campaign for Glover to play Peter Parker. Realistically I'd want to grab an unknown.
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/2/2014, 4:42 PM
@ToxicCap
I just might. X-Men and FF are in the pipeline, then I might do some DC stuff.
kong
kong - 11/2/2014, 5:39 PM
Trust me space out your editorials if they're gonna be in a series. Posting one soon after you posted the previous one for some reason always causes the second to get WAY less views. Not like a month but more than two days.
kong
kong - 11/2/2014, 5:47 PM
Okay this idea is AWESOME!!!!!! I love it sooooo much. You should check out @HypeMusheen's Spider-Man article. He talks about an idea for a Spidey film that heavily involves the criminal underworld and this kind of reminds me of that.

I usually don't always get behind ideas for Spidey switching to Marvel (even though I'd be 100% fine with it happening), but this made me want it to happen JUST so I could see this.

Technically Marvel could do this, excluding the showing up in Avengers movies thing. They own all TV rights to him i'm pretty sure. Not just animated. If that's true then they could give him a Netflix show and have him be a street hero and stay with the Defenders and protect the streets of the MCU while the big guys are off in space fighting Thanos. He could also cameo in AoS.
Kurban
Kurban - 11/2/2014, 6:02 PM
If any Spider-Man series is to be released on Netflix, it absolutely needs to involve Daredevil to some capacity. I'd wager the climax of the first Spidey 'season' should be the two of teaming up to take down Kingpin.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 11/2/2014, 6:10 PM
Can we get Parker in high school for more than one film? People are so quick to see him as an adult that most people forget he was a kid trying to be a superhero. I agree we don't need an origins but I want to see Petey become Peter. Lets see him try to stop villians and make it home to do his science project.
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/2/2014, 6:21 PM
@MileHighRonin

See, I feel like Spectacular Spider-man already knocked that out of the park, so I'd rather see something new done with it.

@Kurban

Oh yeah, this definitely assumes that he would cross over with other Netflix heroes throughout. Nice thing about a mini-series: you can just have a Daredevil team-up episode.

@ RedNTheHood

Thank you for the praise! I'm glad so many people are attaching to my ideas. I'm not really too concerned with number of views, just getting my ideas out there, but I'll keep what you said in mind when it comes to publishing my other ideas.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 11/2/2014, 6:28 PM
Honestly seeing him in Avengers Academy would be awesome, Young Avengers series.

Spider-Man
Patriot
Brother Voodoo (younger version)
Knightress (Lady Hawkeye)
Nova (Sam Alexander)
Cloak & Dagger
A-Bomb
Iceman
Shadowcat
Havoc
Polaris
Thunderbird (Warpath)
Firestar
White Tiger
Speedball
Namora
Talisman
Quake
Citizen V (Baron Zemo's grandson, unkown by anybody, obviously sets up Hydra overthrowing SHIELD.)


Instructers would be Rhodey, Mockingbird, Pet Wisdom

Program Director Coulson

Obviously going with the What if Marvel owned all their properties. And teenage versions.
HOTSHOT
HOTSHOT - 11/2/2014, 8:08 PM
Great ideas. I agree with pretty much everything you said and the show would rock. You've already displayed a better understanding of how to tell Spidey's story than Sony has. Can't wait for your X-Men one.


TitanicByMyself
TitanicByMyself - 11/2/2014, 10:21 PM
Some good ideas although X-Men is just fine at fox in my opinion.
ChaddieBoi74
ChaddieBoi74 - 11/3/2014, 12:28 AM
Brilliant editorial. Haven't had much to do with comics but I'm loving the way the MCU and DCCU are evolving. I don't mind FOX having X-Men as I feel they redeemed themselves with First Class and DOFP (just my opinion) but your take on Spidey going back is a nice concept. Looking forward to your next write-up.
StrangeBatch
StrangeBatch - 11/3/2014, 12:39 AM
What If: There was a Moon Knight/Ghost Rider film would be badass
BeyondTheGrave
BeyondTheGrave - 11/3/2014, 2:20 AM
I actually like where your going with this honestly, not the EXACT plot but the idea behind it is solid (though for a mini series it would require a movie budget in order to get spider-man right). But Marvel does have a way to if you'll pardon the expression 'back door' many of their super heroes now. Fact Avengers and the cinema movies are the main stage, and agents of shield (although VERY POORLY) utilized is the perfect set for introductions. I've said it before in the past the simplest solutions would be a series of 1 or 2 part episode crossovers starring a guest character. The shield team disobeys coulson goes to chicago and runs afowl the Punisher, Frank Castle. Mysterious happenings and demon sightings in Louisiana say hello to one Johnny Blaze The Ghost Rider (I considered Danny Ketch but like the writer of the article stated in his own way the original needs to be done properly before their replacements show up). That's only two examples; marvel is FILLED with heroes, under utilized just waiting; as MODOKillian said Moon Knight. He's marvel's version of batman and he has few morals come on! Your already setting up doctor strange, lets get the defenders ready to fight. Then there's the elephant in agents of shield one general Glen Talbot aka the jerk who torments Bruce Banner (who is sorely in need of another PROPER solo film, or team up film that focus' on the hulk, no more banner. Too much banner we need hulk).
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 11/3/2014, 2:47 AM
With the exception of paragraph 4 (I actually quite love the TASM-verse)I absolutely adore every part of this editorial and would fully endorse it if it were to come true. While the Sinister Six have always functioned as a team unit I can definitely imagine a more syndicate-like arrangement of crime families (think the Crime Syndicate from 'Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths') as you describe-or perhaps that's just my interpretation. I love the fact that you don't completely throw the events of the TASM-verse out the window as it leaves the character in an exceptional place to start a new story, introducing Mary Jane and all. I love the fact that it would be a Netflix series as I believe the wider movie-going audience has grown tired of the character. But what I love more than any of this is what you have done with J. Jonah Jameson-giving him a proper REASON to hate Spider-Man is something I have been clamouring for and I think Spider-Man's absence is perfect for this.
Bravo sir, bravo. You're a wonderful human being.
DatNerdyKid
DatNerdyKid - 11/3/2014, 2:48 AM
Also, like several others, I also believe the X-Men can stay at Fox as I believe not only is their universe going in the right direction but I believe it would simply be too difficult to integrate them into the MCU...but I'll leave that up to you to prove :P
nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 11/3/2014, 4:21 AM
i believe people like and love the amazing spiderman series and i believe they captuired peter and spiderman great. i also hope we get to have TASM universe and Garfield in the MCU.

anyway, i believe we can have a flashback scenes of peter as a kid throughout the years showing him how he went through life and dreaming one day that his life can be different and that he feels weak. we'll also see how important uncle ben is to peter through his childhood. we'll also see that after peter gets bit that his attitude starts to change from confident to arrogant and egotistical. we'll see him argue with ben leading him up to his demise. it'll be a cross between the ultimate storline and ditko.

unlike tobey, we'll see peter portrayed as a person again.

nuyhm7ai
nuyhm7ai - 11/3/2014, 4:29 AM
i also hope we get a netflix series by 2019 after TASM 3 or whatever spiderman movie is coming out in 2018 and The Avengers 3 part 1 seeing as how the mythos is so huge. one of the biggest problems i had with the raimi films is that the characters like robbie robertson, betty brant, flash thompson, gwen, george, the neighbor girl, etc. don't have any proper characterization. i always fel that they were there because they were in the comics. the webb films had that problem too but at least i can see that they're trying to develop these characters and i can see that webb really felt the same way about wanting a tv series. the other problem i had with the raimi films was that the pacing and the development wasn't what it deserved like they should've dug deeper into the characters and the same thing can be said abotu the webb films as well but at least i can see that it's trying to expand their chaarcters but i believe expanding them should only benefit for a tv series. even the relationships can take alot of time to develop.

also, i really don't want to have peter's everyday struggle happen in one movie. his everyday struggle can effect him in many ways. when you compare spiderman to dexter you'll see that his everyday life can really tear him apart including others.
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/3/2014, 5:27 AM
@MrSotoMan

While I'm not as immediately dismissive of the "Why Not" argument, I feel like when Spider-man interacts with other heroes his place in the world becomes so much clearer. He's the kid brother of the Marvel U that's going to do great things when he grows up and gets his act together. Captain America and Iron Man and all the other Avengers can tell that one day he's going to be the greatest of them all. I think that mentoring role with the Avengers is one worth exploring, even if it's only as a small facet of a much larger Avengers film. Like many have said above, the other stories that are his solo outings are best suited for serialization due to their complexity, but this relationship he has with the older heroes of the universe is something that I really want to see properly explored on screen. It would have to be tweaked with my idea since the way I'm painting it, he was Spider-man before Iron Man was a thing, but Captain America could still be a mentor to him, while Tony Stark is a mentor to Peter Parker, somewhat similar to how things were at the start of Civil War in the comics (although I know getting webhead in Civil War at this point is probably not going to happen).
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/3/2014, 6:54 AM
@MrSotoMan

Really, the biggest reason I want Spidey back at Marvel is because I don't like what Sony is doing with them and trust Marvel Studios to do good things with him. His being able to interact with the Avengers is just the cherry on top.
gabriellarkins
gabriellarkins - 11/3/2014, 6:55 AM
@Jollem

No, you know who the MCU REALLY needs? Spawn. Played by Jaden Smith. A Michael Bay Production.
sKeemAn
sKeemAn - 11/3/2014, 7:25 AM
Great ideas. It actually seems like something very plausible that Marvel could do. Nice read.
Enphlieuwince
Enphlieuwince - 11/3/2014, 8:38 AM
Very nice read. I'm down for this all the way.
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