DOCTOR WHO Star Ncuti Gatwa Reveals A Huge Cameo From A Returning, Long-Dead Actor - SPOILERS

DOCTOR WHO Star Ncuti Gatwa Reveals A Huge Cameo From A Returning, Long-Dead Actor - SPOILERS

Doctor Who returns to our screens later this week, and the Fifteenth Doctor, Ncuti Gatwa, has now revealed that he'll appear alongside a long-dead actor from the franchise's past. Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - Nov 20, 2023 05:11 AM EST
Filed Under: Doctor Who
Source: The Sun (via SFFGazette.com)

Ncuti Gatwa is expected to first appear as the new Time Lord in Doctor Who's Christmas Day episode, but the Sex Education and Barbie star may have just dropped a major spoiler for either that or Russell T Davies' upcoming season 14/season 1.

Talking to The Sun (via SFFGazette.com) at the GQ Men of the Year Awards this past week, the actor confirmed that his Fifteenth Doctor will somehow share the screen with the late William Hartnell's First Doctor.

"It has been a crazy year," he started. "I shouldn’t say this but there was a scene that I somehow shot with the first ever Doctor, William Hartnell. We ended up in the same scene together…and to see that history and now a Black man is the Doctor is just very wild."

We can't imagine Davies, BBC, or Disney+ will be too pleased with Gatwa revealing plans for this surprise cameo, but the response online from fans has been overwhelmingly positive. It's unclear whether archival footage will be used or if special effects are going to bring Hartnell's Doctor back to life. There's always a chance, of course, that A.I. will somehow factor into the "cameo."

Since Hartnell passed away in 1975, the First Doctor has appeared in Doctor Who on a few different occasions. However, he's always been played by new actors; Richard Hurndall portrayed him in 1983's 20th-anniversary special "The Five Doctors," with David Bradley taking over the role for Mark Gatiss's film An Adventure in Space and Time as well as Peter Capaldi-era stories, "The Doctor Falls" and '"Twice Upon a Time."

At the same event, Gatwa also shared what fans can expect from his version of this iconic time-traveller. "My Doctor is emotionally vulnerable. He hides it with humour, but he’s lonely," the actor teases. "But he’s also energetic! The poor cameramen struggled to keep up."

Davies' return to Doctor Who sent Whovians across the world into a frenzy of excitement, and while this marks his first time serving as the series' showrunner in over a decade, he has plans to stick around for the foreseeable future. Recently, the writer revealed that he's already planning season 3 and will later tackle a fourth batch of episodes.

As noted, Doctor Who returns in November 2023 with three special episodes with Tennant as the Fourteenth Doctor to coincide with the 60th anniversary. Ncuti Gatwa's first appearance as the Fifteenth Doctor is also expected to air over the festive period. Season 1 doesn't have a confirmed premiere date but is expected to premiere in early 2024. 

We recently spoke to Doctor Who and Torchwood star John Barrowman, hearing from him about Gatwa's Doctor and whether he could one day return as Captain Jack Harkness. Check that out in the player below. 

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vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 11/20/2023, 5:29 AM
The Marvels bombing iN china for week 2.

You are low on quota on flop articles for a cbm. Comparing with the Flash ofc.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 11/20/2023, 10:06 AM
@HOTSHOT - you were not here during the flash i reckon
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 10:20 AM
@vectorsigma - Maybe if like almost all of us that were here at that time you had a problem with the overload on bashing Flash you shouldn't be calling for a repeat of that for any other film ever, even sarcastically. Yeh hypocrisy, bias and double standards exist but if going to yell about that at least keep it on relevant threads and there was at least five the Marvels articles yesterday to shout at the clouds in (and been two other Marvel studios ones already today even if not that film specific).

Posting what you did about an American Marvel Studios film on the discussion on a British BBC TV series discussion forum is poor form and doesn't reflect well on you.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 11/20/2023, 11:14 AM
@Apophis71 - just following the standards on this site tbh
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 11:31 AM
@vectorsigma - Standards need to improve, your not helping, be part of the cure not the disease or you know write your own articles to help it be less dominated by Josh's articles even but you do you.
CoHost
CoHost - 11/20/2023, 6:43 AM
"It's unclear whether archival footage will be used or if special effects are going to bring Hartnell's Doctor back to life. There's always a chance, of course, that A.I. will somehow factor into the "cameo."

Didn't they have a strike to prevent this type of crap?
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 11/20/2023, 6:49 AM
@CoHost - that was in the US and if doesn’t mean flag AI can never be used again. Who would agree to that
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 7:04 AM
@CoHost - As nightwing said the American strikes did not impact UK production of British shows, UK actors (other than for their US work) or ghosts.

As to the possible A.I. use doubt it will be full A.I. if at all and only used as a tool to clean up archive footage to modern standards which wouldn't fall under all the US strike issues over that I think. Cannot see them doing entirely new footage from scratch for whatever it is on a BBC production budget on Dr Who even with the additional Disney money, not the way the show ha ever gone about doing things.
EgoEgor
EgoEgor - 11/20/2023, 8:18 AM
@CoHost - AI is just a meaningless term now because it so muddied. The reality the AI he might referring to are techs in special effects that already exist. A lot of special effects companies already implemented AI tools to make special effects more seamless and less time consuming.

And such a thing would require consent, as long as the estate agrees. And I don't know if they are using American guild production since it's a British show.
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 7:09 AM
@WarMonkey - ...wtf are you talking about? He doesn't think people in wheelchairs are evil. In fact, he specifically included a younger, able bodied version of recurring doctor who villain davros because he didn't want to rely on the stereotype of disabled villains.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2023/11/18/doctor-who-russell-t-davies-disabled-villain-trope/
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 7:11 AM
@WarMonkey - Even classic Who had a villains in wheelchairs and other disabled villains, Dr Who is one show always able to fully regenerate and with this feeling even more full rebootish due to the deal with Disney and RTD back who regenerated a dead franchise succesfully once already it has every chance of pulling it off.

I am not saying it is a given but views of the last Doctors shows aside it wasn't broken enough to be beyond repair with a new Doctor so the question is more if and how much viewership increases more than any other concerns.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 7:16 AM
@Origame - That's behind a paywall. I posted an article below that's not and has his quotes. He is getting wrecked on social media now for his regressive views. No one besides him and some weirdos actually believe other people see disabled people as evil. That is insane to think that of others and to project that BS onto them.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 7:19 AM
@Apophis71 - Chibnal, the last showrunner drove the franchise into the ground and lost the majority of loyal viewers, people that have been watching for all their lives. That's why Russell is back and using Disney money to make this now. Russell isn't bringing in more viewers with this kind of story-telling and screwing up canon of iconic villains.
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 7:20 AM
@WarMonkey - it's not behind a pay wall. Wtf are you talking about?

And they're going against him, but not because he views disabled people as evil. They're offended he's coddling them by making a drastic change to an established character simply because he doesn't want to portray someone in a wheelchair as evil.

The controversy is exactly the opposite of what you think it is.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 7:34 AM
@Origame - Why are you fighting with me so hard about everything? I've been supporting your messages here for like years. You see those Likes on most of your posts since you started using this site? Ya, one's from me, and on just about everyone of those.

Ask Google: Is the Telegraph news site behind a paywall? Answer: "The newspaper put 20% of it's content behind a paywall last November." SO WTF ARE YOU CALLING ME A LIAR FOR?!
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 8:29 AM
@WarMonkey - 1) look, I appreciate the support. But dude, you're simply wrong here. You claimed he said people in wheelchairs are evil, when he's specifically pointing out the stereotype exists and he wants to avoid it. The backlash is because he's changing established characters to suit that agenda, which they don't believe is necessary.

2) yes, 20% of the content is behind a pay wall. This article is one of the 80% of the content that isn't. Did you click the link?
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 9:19 AM
@Origame - Of course I did you jackass. I clicked it, couldn't read the article cause a giant ass banner told me to pay, then you called me a liar and I took 2 seconds to ask google and get the answer for you, now you're doing it again. F U for calling me a liar by lying.
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 9:22 AM
@WarMonkey - dude, I literally read the article. And I paid Jack sh!t to telegraph. Wtf is with this hostility? I never called you a liar or said you lied. I asked what are you talking about. The most fair question you can ask.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 11/20/2023, 7:02 AM
“Emotionally vulnerable and lonely yet hides it with humor & energy…”

I feel like thats all of the modern Doctors to an extent haha but we’ll see…

Can’t wait to see Ncuti’s take on the character regardless , I’m sure I’ll like him!!.

WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 7:05 AM
Doctor Who is Dead. RIP one of my longest and favorite franchises ever,

Russell T Davies actually thinks a person in a wheel-chair is evil. He believes this so much he is retconning one of the most iconic villains in tv history and is attacking fans on social media for simply saying they don't believe people in wheel-chairs or with disabilities are evil. It's astounding to watch him as his mind has become corrupted by bigoted thoughts over the years.

Russell is insane!

Russell - “We had long conversations about bringing Davros back, because he’s a fantastic character,” explained Davies during a post-premiere episode of the behind-the-scenes show Doctor Who Unleashed. “Time and society and culture and taste have moved on, and there’s a problem with the old Davros: he’s a wheelchair user who is evil. I had problems with that. A lot of us on the production team did too, associating disability with evil. Trust me, there’s a very long tradition of this.”

"One user, @robygardiner, argued, “Davros isn’t a ‘wheelchair user’, he’s a partially mutated Kaled in a life support system, halfway between Kaled and Dalek. Like I was perfectly fine seeing Davros pre-accident, I think a lot of fans have wanted to see this for some time, but to insist that this is for ‘better representation of disabled people’ is just utterly bizarre. If we’re now going to pretend, as you suggest, Davros was never in the chair… or he just ‘got better’, well, that undermines one of the greatest villains Who ever created.”

In turn, Davies simply and dismissively asserted, “tough”."
https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/11/20/doctor-who-showrunner-russell-t-davies-claims-davros-original-look-was-associating-disability-with-evil-mocks-fans-who-disagree/
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 7:11 AM
@WarMonkey - and this quote disproves your claim that he views people in a wheelchair as evil.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 7:22 AM
@Origame - Russell "A lot of us on the production team did too, associating disability with evil. Trust me, there’s a very long tradition of this.”

He associates disabilities with evil. He said it right there. Who thinks like that?! Who has ever seen a person in a wheel-chair out in the public and thought to themselves "hmmm, they look evil to me". These people are insane!
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 7:23 AM
@WarMonkey - OK so havin read the quote, it is just one specific character they want to bring back sans chair AND want to move away from assaciating wheelchair users as bein evil...

...on that he has a point to be honest and having watched the comic releif scetch with the new Davros, he actualy works and retcons far from new in Who and timey wimey stuff easy to excuse tbh but especialy so as they went back to the genesis thus easy to say this is pre-accident so in most folks heads not too bogged down in canon they will just pass it off as he was evil before being disabled.

Saying tough as some huge attack that will turn folk off, don't see that being an issue at all unless some want to manufacture issues and never any pleasing those sorts tbh.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 7:32 AM
@WarMonkey - No he specificaly was saying the show, not him, had a long history of having all disabled characters being evil, and on that he has a valid point cos watched the show since the 70's and can't easily recall a single good guy in a wheelchair tho there likely were some that just don't spring to mind...

...so showing this character was evil before disability, in other words getting away from an idea the becoming disabled was what turned him evil which so could falsely assume, seems a sensible move and means when they look back at prior appearances of Davros folk are MORE likely to think he deserved becoming disabled rather than having a negative association regarding disability implanted into the minds of the net generation of kids.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 11/20/2023, 7:48 AM
@Apophis71 - "“Will you be changing the Cybermen next so it doesn’t upset our friends with prosthetic limbs?” by user @Dwboy14, Davies snarkily shot back, “oh poor baby”."

Remember for the future; I predict this show will be a catastrophic failure and Who won't be coming back when it does, today on November 20, 2023. Doctor Who has one the biggest and longest fanbases for sci-fi tv in history and they are losing more and more fans every time they do something like this. They now have a small fraction of the fanbase that was there before Chibnall took over and his damage almost destroyed it till Disney threw their money into the ring and brought Russell back to try and save it. I predict he won't and he will fail tremendously. I could be wrong, but my predictions are usually pretty good, such as The Marvels breaking records for biggest bomb the MCU has had and I saw coming before they greenlit it.

BTW the loudest on social media who are against this idea Russell is pushing is from the Chibnal era fans. Majority of the other Who fans had already left the franchise years ago and this stuff won't be bringing them back.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 8:17 AM
@WarMonkey - RTD was snarky when Who first came back with Eccleston, this isn't new and think your making a big deal out of very short retorts tbh.

As to if the show will land well or not we will see but never see the point of being so negative in advance of actualy seeing something. Having measured expectations is healthy so as to reduce risk of being disappointed after excessive expctations. However if you decide something is going to be awful before even trying it your probably going to be looking so hard for stuff to hate on to ever enjoy anything even if it is good and that is not a healthy way to go through life.
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 8:18 AM
@WarMonkey - no, he's saying the trope implies that disability equals evil. And, dude, it's very apparent that the trope exists.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilCripple
Radders
Radders - 11/20/2023, 8:21 AM
@Apophis71 - Isn't RTD manufacturing an issue - I'm pretty sure not a single person equated Davros with a wheelchair user
Radders
Radders - 11/20/2023, 8:27 AM
@Origame - Beside Davros who apparent is equated to being in a wheelchair, I'm struggling to think of another?

There are also countless positive characters in Wheelchairs
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 8:31 AM
@Radders - the link I provided will show the trope and give examples throughout media. There are plenty of examples of crippled people being portrayed as evil. He didn't make this up out of thin air.
Radders
Radders - 11/20/2023, 8:39 AM
@Origame - I hadn't notice the dropdowns (at work) but it's conflating various issues with disability and literally the first example just read is Curt Conner's - who isn't evil, he becomes evil after using the formula

It reads very much like a typical cherry picking exercise, where they're choosing the examples that fit the theory. There are plenty of positive characters with disabilities but they're notably absent.

You may be able to make that case for facial scarring etc but that's still a bit spurious
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 8:52 AM
@Radders - Erm, we had more than once in the past after Davros had been on the show when a little kid was terrified of my wifes wheelchair and the Mum politely had to eplain why. May be considered being overblown but there is validity in thinking it has been an issue to at least some degree. Again however if not negating that the character end up disabled and was evil before ending up in a wheelchair by going far enough into the past to show he was evil before then don't see any issue with that even if the dialogue around it can be viewed as questionable. I just tend to think from reading this folk are misinterpreting words and intent and not negating that RTD could possibly have articulated on the matter in a better way but these days even the most inoccuos comment can e twisted out of context at the best of times so...
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 8:56 AM
@Radders - In Dr Who there has been a LOT of evil characters in a Wheelchair including one in new who for instance who created Cybermen in the alternate universe and in Who can't think of any who were good. There probably has been some but can't recall any, but then villains do tend to be more memorable by design at least outside of recurring good guys.
Origame
Origame - 11/20/2023, 9:01 AM
@Radders - 1) while I will admit that's a weird inclusion, however it's definitely debatable depending on the version. In spectacular spiderman where he becomes the lizard once then never returns to that form you can argue he's good. But in the comics where he keeps using the experiment because he's that obsessed with getting his arm back is definitely getting on the immoral/evil side. And in the comics at one point it was retconned he doesn't change personalities when he transforms into lizard and he's perfectly aware of what he's doing. So at least that version of Connors is evil.

2) I think you're misunderstanding the point. This isn't making the argument all crippled people are portrayed as evil. It's saying there's a trope where crippled people are being portrayed as evil. This is where I side with the people arguing against Davies. A trope existing doesn't mean everyone fits into that category.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 9:18 AM
@Origame - Yeh, I agree a trope existing doesn't mean everyone fits into the category or negating that there are examples in fiction where they fully turn tropes on their head (ironside probably one of the biggest examples of good guy is the one in a chair but also Prof X obviously).

In this specific example showing a character was evil before being disabled is generaly a good idea and with Conners being more eplicit that he was an altruistic good guy trying to find a way to grow back limbs rather than obsessed to the point of being blinded to the risks throwing caution to the wind but that the 'cure' has unintended side effects would help but in a film runtime... but Lizard maybe not the best example to use on either side of a debate on this trope (as more in some ways of saying Lizards are evil than the disabled) even if connected to it.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/20/2023, 9:39 AM
As an aside, genius in a wheelchair is also a common trope that is oft debated if a good or a bad thing in regard to the likes of Prof X. Again on the evil cripple idea it was used as an easy plot device with villain is fragile so hero would look a douche if he ended the fight in the opening act by hitting the guy when doing a brains V brawn story. Could go on in the whole has a disability means they have to have other super ability to counter it thing rather than just show they are powerfull regardless their disability (like that one in Kingsman with literal blades on her blades, which again was on the villain side) but...

...it is an interesting conundram to discuss as to if an issue or not, if it has to be addressed or not and how to counter it if so and all that but these days civilised nuance discussions are not easy to debate online.
Radders
Radders - 11/23/2023, 8:54 AM
@Origame - The problem is, the minute you start deciding how one group or another should be portrayed you no longer get valuable representation or good characterisation - we've seen this countless times with both female and ethnically diverse characters
Origame
Origame - 11/23/2023, 9:22 AM
@Radders - dude, I agree. I'm just pointing out he's wrong about what is being said. He isn't saying people in wheelchairs are evil. He's saying there's an abundance of handicapped people portrayed as evil and he wants to avoid that.
marvel72
marvel72 - 11/20/2023, 8:10 AM
I'm glad I stopped watching this crap years ago.
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