GAME OF THRONES: Hear Sigur Rós' Cover Of "The Rains Of Castamere" In Full

My song for Joffery.

All this stuff happening is directly Sansa's fault btw

Anyone who thinks JOffrey's death is supposed to be this "F yeah, the little douche is finally dead!", fist-pumping moment is sadly mistaken. I mean, I haven't read the books or anything but the show didn't even come close to matching that kind of tone. It was more ominous and full of dread than anything else.

Plus the fact that Tyrion is immediately in trouble RIGHT after the long, drawn-out death scene...it was pretty clear that this isn't exactly a good thing, so all the users dancing around and being downright gleeful over his death...that'ss ridiculously weird to me.

SauronsBANE1: I mean the show captured both the "f-yeah" tone and the "omg this looks like an awful lot of pain" vibe. I didn't cheer when he died because I was feeling sad for Cersei actually (yeah, it's weird but that's empathy for you). In the books, he's pretty much the same douche in his last moments that he was in the episode but when he starts clawing up his own throat because he can't breathe, even reading it I started to feel bad for the guy because that's a pretty damn horrible way to go and in the books he's also younger than on the show (I think he's like 14) so yeah, horrible douche or not, in his death he's still also a scared child who has no idea what's happening to him and I don't see a reason to be cheearing fro that.

I can't lie I cheered for after he was dead. While he was dying it looked quite painful and displeasurable. But at the same time, Robb Stark was like 16 in the books when they killed him, so I say even steven. And yes things will get worse before they get better.

@legendarypanda

Thats funny I was singing the same song.

Anyone who liked Joffery is a cock biter.
Piss on his grave!
Side note: actor playing Joffery was terrific,what a great job of creating a total scum bag.

@batfan, Yeah I pretty much agree. Even going beyond the fact that he's still just a 13 or 14 year old kid dying a terrible death...the show itself played that scene as horrifying. To some extent we should feel satisfied because Joffrey had it coming for the longest time, but the music was ominous, the reactions from the other characters were pretty straightforward, and then Tyrion immediately gets arrested.

The tone of the entire episode was building up a feeling of dread and doom, so I definitely didn't get any "F yeah!" vibes at all. In a vacuum, sure Joffrey's death IS that kind of moment. But in the context of the episode itself, it certainly wasn't IMO.

Whatever Ineed. I read the books!

...And by "read the books", I mean I read the Fire and Ice wiki!

@Sauron

Right on the money. There was no satisfaction in reading about his death in the books. Relief, yes, but at the same time the bitter realisation that Joffrey was, all things considered, as powerless as Tyrion. It's the people around him that actually bite, and now they have almost free rein to go after anyone they want.

Sigur Ros' album "Takk.."
Get it. It is one of my all time favorites.

@TheAstoundingMan, I can pick up a rock, go to any fiction/history section of any bookshop, throw the rock in any direction and chances are it'll hit a story of someone who killed their loved ones for some oddball reason.

Hell, ask Oscar Pistorius.

*fiction/history/true crime

Yes, UltimaRex, the key word in your comment is MOTHER. She's fiercely protective of her kids, to the extent that it's been shown she'd rather kill her youngest son herself rather than let Stannis Baratheon's army come in, most likely rape both of them, then murder them brutally.

...but none of that is happening in this episode. At all. No one is threatening Joffrey like Stannis was.

And what does the fact that she has sex with her brother have to do with ANYTHING in this episode? Using your logic, she poisoned Joffrey, the KING, committing the massive Westorosi taboo of kinslaying...so she could keep her relationship with Jaime a secret? What? That literally has nothing to do with anything in this episode.

You literally didn't address a single one of my points, buddy. Reading comprehension is important, and so is looking at sentences in context. Let me quote it right back at you, with the important stuff in bold to help you out a little:

"She's fiercely protective of her kids, to the extent that it's been shown she'd rather kill her youngest son herself rather than let Stannis Baratheon's army come in, most likely rape both of them, then murder them brutally.

...but none of that is happening in this episode. At all. No one is threatening Joffrey like Stannis was.

This isn't even a debate. You're saying that you think Cersei killed Joffrey, I provided hard evidence that she most likely didn't. Now we just wasted another 2 comments basically repeating my last comment to you. How about providing some counter arguments to my last comment instead of quoting me wildly out of context? Your move.

@capcyclopsftw, Thank you for actually engaging in rational discussion, it makes this a lot more interesting to talk about!

First of all, I seriously doubt Cersei instructed Joffrey to humiliate Tyrion in order to gain back the power she was losing. That was completely in character for Joffrey. He had more than enough reason to do that on his own. He HATED Tyrion, and used the ridiculously high-profile environment of a royal wedding to further humiliate him, that's all. It helped make Tyrion more of a suspect in the murder later on, but when Cersei ran over to Joffrey's body and blamed Tyrion, she was almost mad with grief and rage. She wasn't exactly acting like a frame-up was the plan all along.

Second, that brings us back to the fact that Joffrey was her most FAVORITE child. There's just no way in hell she'd poison him, either on purpose or by accident, in order to gain back power. Or let's say she was trying to kill Margaery. That would just delay the inevitable. Joffrey would eventually get remarried to continue the bloodline, Cersei wouldn't be Queen Regent anymore, and we'd be back to square one.

She's smart, she's calculating, and she would've known all this already. She gained nothing from having Margaery potentially killed.

I agree that Margaery probably wouldn't have wanted Joffrey killed, but who knows about her grandmother? Olenna is definitely a wildcard in this, and I have a feeling her ultimate plans have been hidden from us to this point. As for Oberyn, we simply don't know enough about him (in the television show, at least) in order to rule him out.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Tywin orchestrated this. At the end of last season, he had homicidal rage when Joffrey dared to question his actions during Robert's Rebellion. He calmly sent him to bed without supper for that, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the tipping point that led to Tywin wanting to kill the uncontrollable Joffrey.