GOD OF WAR Creator David Jaffe Isn't A Fan Of The Direction Sony Santa Monica Is Taking Kratos

GOD OF WAR Creator David Jaffe Isn't A Fan Of The Direction Sony Santa Monica Is Taking Kratos

The God of War creator believes Kratos should be more like his PS2 and PS3 persona and believes Sony Santa Monica is not remaining faithful to the character.

By MarkJulian - Dec 21, 2023 10:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Video Games
Source: GameFragger.com

Recently, a comic book store owner went viral for his assertion that many fans are fed up with new school writers injecting their own personal experiences and stories into classic characters.

These fans largely claim that comic book characters should be written in a manner congruent with how they were depicted in previous stories and events, rather than in a manner that allows a writer to more readily convey personal experiences or trauma.

David Jaffe, the original God of War creator, makes a similar case about Kratos, though it's impossible to claim there isn't some personal bias here given his involvement in the franchise's inception.

While the God of War games for the PS4 and PS5 have nearly generally been praised for their gameplay structure, narrative, and visuals, there are a small number of God of War fans who recall what the Ghost of Sparta was like when he first debuted and wish to see that version of the character again.

Jaffe's God of War series for the PS2/PS3 are harsh and grandiose action-adventure games set in Greek antiquity. The plot revolves around Kratos, a Spartan warrior marred by sorrow.  On a quest for vengeance, he carves a bloody path through the Greek mythological pantheons.

Years later, in the God of War PS4/PS5 era, new creative director Cory Barlog has Kratos start a new life in Midgard, the Norse gods' home. Kratos is more reserved and introspective as he raises his son Atreus, unaware of  approaching danger from the Norse gods. Kratos and Atreus eventually come across a prophecy that threatens their own life as they navigate a freezing tundra.

While there has been much debate among gamers about which era of God of War is better, you can count former Santa Monica Studio director David Jaffe in the camp that only supports the first three installments of the franchise.

As the game director for the first chapter released in 2005 and its sequel, Jaffe designed the gameplay and storyline that molded Kratos's ruthless journey for vengeance.

"I don't want to see these characters grow," said Jaffee on Kratos and Indiana Jones. "...I don't like the direction that God of War is going in at all."

Confusingly, Jaffe also stated that he loved the 2018 reboot of the franchise but the 2023 sequel was "not his cup of tea." From a narrative and gameplay standpoint, there's not much difference between the two games.

"Someone needs to be able to tell these people no sometimes. And say, 'We love that you're arty, we love that you're taking stuff from your personal life... but somebody needs to step up there and go, 'You need to be able to do all that within the pen, within the fence we've put up and if you step outside [the fence] the electric collar is going to get you. You need to do all that within the pen that says, "This is what God of War is.'"

Where do you stand on this debate? Let us know in the comment section below.

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DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 10:48 AM
"Oh no, they put sentiment and character growth in my carricature of an Alpha male!! How dare they taint this icon of violence and angst?!"

Grow up.
The1st
The1st - 12/21/2023, 11:06 AM
@DrReedRichards - More like Sigmas rise up lol
Elle79
Elle79 - 12/21/2023, 11:26 AM
@DrReedRichards - Predictable virtue-signaling response from a sad beta
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 12/21/2023, 11:36 AM
@DrReedRichards - But to his point Kratos is supposed to be the epitome of Alpha Males murdering gods and defying destiny? The creator wanted Kratos to be forever in that image and just be filled with adventures, similar to the concept of Mario where he never grows up or progresses in life and all his games are nothing but fun adventures.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 11:39 AM
@mastakilla39 -

I hear what you're saying, but there's a reason Link is often favored over Mario.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 11:40 AM
@Elle79 -

I humbly apologize for getting inbetween you and your manly musculature fantasies, Lord Alpha.
Elle79
Elle79 - 12/21/2023, 12:17 PM
@DrReedRichards - They should just create a new characterinstead of neutering the existing one. I know your type loves that kind of thing, but come on.

By and large, us women prefer more alpha male types to beta simps like you. We just find you pathetic.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 12:19 PM
@Elle79 -

By all means, feel free to continue to do so. I'd consider it an insult if anyone, man or woman, so clearly obsessed with 4chan archetypes ever found me any kind of attractive.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 12:37 PM
@Elle79 - Now you know you ain’t no woman

DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 12:55 PM
@FireandBlood -

Story time:

Remember the first Captain Marvel, and the whole YouTube renaissance of the manosphere for idiots like Critical Drinker and Quartering? There was this top comment in one of Nerdrotic's rants from a random girl claiming that even she, as a young woman, had no interest in the movie. Nerdrotic himself had responded under it, but clicking on that user's avatar would lead you to a recently created profile with zero uploads, zero followers, zero favorites, zero everything! I point that out, my comment gets deleted. I ask again, my comment gets deleted again. Three, four, five times, until the thread was removed entirely.

Now, I may not go so far as to say that this here user is as much of a woman as that Nerdrotic alt was, but I might as well point out how relatively empty their history as a user is for an account that seems to be 5 years old. 😏
Elle79
Elle79 - 12/21/2023, 2:45 PM
@DrReedRichards - Lol, yup. Thank you for proving my point, yet again!

I remember years ago when the comment sections here were filled with your type. I love that you're a dying breed at this point, and mostly show up to be ridiculed for your incessant virtue-signaling.

Honestly, there is nothing more pathetic than a "progressive" male.
Elle79
Elle79 - 12/21/2023, 2:46 PM
@FireandBlood - Classic "progressive" male sexist.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 2:50 PM
@DrReedRichards - its a video game. It's supposed to be fun and first 3 god of war games were more fun than the last 2.

Also note the irony of telling someone talking about video games to grow up.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 2:51 PM
@Elle79 -

I don't think you've actually made a point yet, let alone one that I've proven like you seem to insist, but please, you're more than welcome to feel otherwise.

That's what being progressive means after all. 😉
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 2:53 PM
@Ryguy88 -

There are video games that deal with adult themes like fatherhood without idolizing violence for teenagers who only feign adulthood. I don't think the last two games removed amybof the violence. They merely evolved the narrative.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 2:57 PM
@Elle79 - Now, now. You wouldn’t want anybody to think you’re virtue signalling now, would you, ma’am? It is ma’am, right?

Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:00 PM
@DrReedRichards - lol at your storytime about you having too much time on your hands.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:03 PM
@FireandBlood - dude, your group is going to punt you if you start questioning a "m'am."
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 3:05 PM
@DrReedRichards - The weirdest of weirdest flexes. Getting online to pretend to be a woman just to try and act as a voice for women just to shit talk women 😂

And that’s the biggest give away; spending the entirety of his existence on this site shit talking woman because they have their own views, only to turn around and tell you “this is how us women see things”.

Dumb, dumb and dumber all rolled into one simple Jack.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 3:06 PM
@Ryguy88 - And what group would that be?
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 3:07 PM
@Ryguy88 -

Time management, mate. That's all there is to it.

Guy puts a bunch of rocks in a bottle to the top. Is it full? Yeah. Goes on to fill the gaps with pebbles. Is it full now? Sure, pours some sand to fill in those gaps. Full now? Okay, now it is. Pours a bottle of beer. Now it's full.

What's the lesson?

The rocks are your job. The pebbles your friends and family. The sand your own personal hobbies. And there's always room for a beer.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:11 PM
@DrReedRichards - where does investigating people who leave comments on youtube come into that analogy?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:11 PM
@FireandBlood - your PC pals on this site of course!
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 3:17 PM
@Ryguy88 -

Definitely the personal hobbies kind. I mean, come on, you're acting as if I haven't made it clear already how much pleasure I take in sabotaging some clear (and most commonly amateur) trolling.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 3:17 PM
@Ryguy88 - Showing common decency to marginalised groups that your people have discriminated against for the longest without repercussions isn’t “politically correct”. It’s just common decency.

If anything, you’re toeing line of political correctness more than me. After all, it is you that is consistently watching what you say, less what you really want to say slips out. 👀
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:39 PM
@FireandBlood - you just insinuated someone I here was trans without them telling you so. Maybe you should lecture yourself.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:40 PM
@DrReedRichards - that sounds like the hobby of one who has too much time on their hands...
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 3:44 PM
@Ryguy88 -

What can I say? I love movies, I love comics, and I love supporting the movies based on comics that I like. If those attacking them do it so poorly, do you honestly think it takes this much time to do so?
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 3:44 PM
@Ryguy88 - I didn’t insinuate anybody was trans. I outright said that this Elle character is a man pretending to be a women online. Pretty sure that comes under some form of catfishing or another.

And I’m not lecturing you, I’m telling you. You’re the one who watches what they say, not me.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:47 PM
@DrReedRichards - I mean, you're probably spending several hours a week watching videos made by people who you claim to hate and then scrolling through their respective comments sections and investigating the people making those comments....so, yeah. I do.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 3:48 PM
@Ryguy88 -

I multitask. YouTube is like a permanent background tab on my chrome browser, even during work, whether it is for music, video essays, news, you name it.

Once you get the hang of it, it just comes naturally.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:48 PM
@FireandBlood - do you think you should be using the image of a trans person to animate your claim that a user on here is a man pretending to be a woman?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:49 PM
@DrReedRichards - sure thing bud!
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 3:49 PM
@Ryguy88 -

That sounds a bit condescening, if I'm honest.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 3:57 PM
@Ryguy88 - Yeah, I do. Because “ma’am” is a meme and I’m taking the piss. But you knew that already.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 3:59 PM
@FireandBlood - but it's a "transphobic" meme which would make your lecture a little hypocritical, dont you think?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 4:00 PM
@DrReedRichards - lol, scratch the "bud" part out then.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 12/21/2023, 4:07 PM
@Ryguy88 -

See? Now, that's better.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 12/21/2023, 4:11 PM
@Ryguy88 - Well a small paragraph isn’t much of a lecture, first of all. But if you’re familiar with the meme in question, you’d be aware of the fact nothing about it was transphobic. It was just an example of a man incorrectly addressing the trans woman in question, “ma’am”, by her improper pronouns, simply because he was innocently ignorant to the fact. The reason it became a meme was due to ma’am’s irrational and aggressive reaction.

But I see what you’re trying to do, and nice try, but no dice. You can’t flip something into being transphobic when there’s no transphobia on display, not within the meme itself or within my comment. That is not how that works.

You should stick to watching what you say instead of trying to trip people up on what they’re saying, because like I said already. I’m not the one watching what I say, you are.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 12/21/2023, 4:30 PM
@FireandBlood - i'm not trying to trip you up, just pointing out what I see. Nice display of mentak gymnastics though, love it! lmao
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