JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Early Box Office Tracking Points To A Laughter-Free Opening Weekend For The Sequel

JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX Early Box Office Tracking Points To A Laughter-Free Opening Weekend For The Sequel

While we're still waiting on specific box office tracking numbers, a few pundits have weighed in to suggest that Warner Bros. will have nothing to laugh about when Joker: Folie À Deux opens next month...

By JoshWilding - Sep 12, 2024 08:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Joker

UPDATE: Joker: Folie À Deux has now hit official tracking boards and, while not quite as catastrophic as those early estimates, Deadline reveals that the sequel is only eyeing a $70 million opening weekend.

That's $26 million less than Joker's opening of $96.2 million and a far cry from the $100+ million estimates before those reviews out of Venice hit.


Despite sitting at 62% on Rotten Tomatoes (a mere 7% less than 2019's Joker), excitement for Joker: Folie À Deux is oddly muted. Much of it comes down to DC fans feeling there's simply no need for this sequel when that first movie made for such a great standalone tale.

Then, there's the fact this follow-up is a musical; that's a surefire way to lessen interest from fanboys and regular moviegoers alike. Throw in some of the divisive spoilers that made it out of Venice - not to mention the fact that 2023's mostly awful DCEU offerings are fresh in everyone's minds - and it no longer looks like Joker: Folie À Deux will be breaking box office records. 

The trades haven't shared any updated tracking data since tickets went on sale earlier this week, but the @EmpireCityBO X account claims, "Numbers don't lie, and even this early red flags everywhere and [Joker: Folie À Deux] is in big big trouble if first half day of pre-sales are any indication."

"$100m opening in serious jeopardy and might go a lot lower," it adds. "Hopefully won't head for The Marvels/The Flash territory."

In a post shared yesterday, it's said things have gotten even worse for the movie. "Unfortunately, things have not improved.  If anything, they've gotten worse. It seems [The Flash] 2.0 might be incoming here for [Warner Bros.] and [Joker: Folie À Deux]."

For what it's worth, it was previously reported that the Joker follow-up was aiming for a $100 million debut, so the idea of it now opening with perhaps only half or a third of that is hard to fathom. Stranger things have happened, though, and that very early tracking is often unreliable. 

One thing is certain, though: this movie won't be taking back any of the records set by Deadpool & Wolverine this July!

How much do you think Joker: Folie À Deux is going to make during its opening weekend in the U.S.?

Joker: Folie À Deux finds Arthur Fleck institutionalized at Arkham awaiting trial for his crimes as Joker. While struggling with his dual identity, Arthur not only stumbles upon true love, but also finds the music that's always been inside him.

The sequel stars Joaquin Phoenix once again in his Oscar-winning dual role as Arthur Fleck/Joker, opposite Oscar-winner Lady Gaga (A Star Is Born). The movie also features Oscar nominees Brendan Gleeson (The Banshees of Inisherin) and Catherine Keener (Get Out), alongside Zazie Beetz, reprising her role from Joker.

Phillips, who was nominated for Oscars for directing, writing and producing Joker, directed Joker: Folie À Deux from a screenplay by fellow Oscar nominee Scott Silver & Phillips, based on characters from DC. This follow-up was produced by Phillips, Oscar nominee Emma Tillinger Koskoff and Joseph Garner. Lady Gaga served as music consultant.

Joker: Folie À Deux arrives in theaters on October 4.

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CaptainTriip
CaptainTriip - 9/12/2024, 8:40 AM
This whole mess of declaring something a failure before it’s even open to the public has to stop.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 9/12/2024, 9:37 AM
@CaptainTriip - that's how click driven business works now. these comments dont help either in these sections on the internet. just calling a streaming show, based on the fact that we watch when we are comfortable model a failure on premiere night because not a lot of people wanted to watch on Tuesday night and not accounting for binging later or weekend watching.
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/12/2024, 9:49 AM
@CaptainTriip - it is open to the public though. Sure people might decide to check it out day of and buy tickets, but no one just walks up anymore and buys tickets like we did in the 90s.

You absolutely can look at advanced sales and see it's not looking great.
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/12/2024, 9:52 AM
@supermanrex - but this is different though. Yes we're a bit out, but advanced ticket sales ABSOLUTELY tell you something about how the movie will do.

Again, no one just walks up to a theatre and buys tickets right before showtime anymore.

NOW, if the public largely likes it, can it build interest and turn around course and have legs after a less than stellar opening weekend? Sure. But there's no way WB is happy with these numbers right now, and that is the story.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/12/2024, 10:41 AM
@SATW42 - you have advanced sales for opening weekend, then you have word of mouth to keep it going. The same can be said for Megalopolis, unfortunately too many people rely on the words of others to decide if they'll like something. Don't tell me it's a price issue, anyone could save a dollar a week if they really wanted to see a movie haha
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 9/12/2024, 10:57 AM
@CaptainTriip - It's a business strategy the media uses. When something is divisive whether it be a movie trailer, song, interview, or something different, The Media will use every opportunity to fuel the division. Because it brings them clicks and ad revenue at the financial failure they assist with in spreading possible false information or trying to persuade more people to continue hating something.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/12/2024, 2:24 PM
@CaptainTriip - 100% agreed
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 8:43 AM
The musical aspect will sadly hurt its numbers more than it being lackluster (if it even is) ever could.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/12/2024, 9:13 AM
@DrReedRichards - yeah

Sadly studios nowadays tend to hide if their movie even is a musical as much as they can nowadays due to that very reason

Hell , even the actors and directors have likely been told to not say it’s a musical and have tried to avoid using that.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 9:21 AM
@TheVisionary25 -

Yeah, I think the shared video from the last article with the reviewer's plot leak even stated outright that the cast were discouraged from referring to the movie as a musical, and told instead to just say that it has "music elements"...

...whatever that means.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 9/12/2024, 9:26 AM
@DrReedRichards - yeah

The funniest thing was Gaga trying to dance around it and ended up basically giving the definition of a musical

Just own it , ya’ll made it.
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/12/2024, 9:54 AM
@DrReedRichards - I'll personally never understand why people are so adverse to musicals, but it is oddly still a thing.

Like, you like music, you like movies, but audiences at large are like "keep that shit out of my movie"
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 10:09 AM
@SATW42 -

Eh, I kinda get it, to be honest. Musicals still have a certain element of overxpressiveness, even during moments that are supposed to be dramatic or cathartic, and modern audiences seem to vastly prefer stoic "I'm a badass of few words" characters.

For example, think of the latest Deadpool. How many preferred Wade's signature rambling antics, and how many thought his simple "I'm gonna fight you now" in the car was better instead?
RockerTodd
RockerTodd - 9/12/2024, 10:43 AM
@DrReedRichards - IMHO as a guitar player, people talking and then suddenly bursting into song with backing music always subverts my suspension of disbelief in a film. There are exceptions, of course, but they have to be really well written (set-up dialog, lyrics and music). Most musicals also have "Broadway-style" songs that feel hackneyed and formulaic. I know pop music today can be pretty simplistic too, but there's just something cringe-worthy about most musicals.
I don't expect it will make $50 million in the first weekend.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 10:55 AM
@RockerTodd -

I get what you're saying for the "Broadway" elememnt, totally with you on that one. Couples suddenly tap-dancing, swinging from a pole, open arms in the rain, those are nigh unavoidable elements in almost every single musical film, and they end up making the whole thing feel (for better or for worse) a lot more staged than organic.

That's up to each viewer's preference, of course.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/12/2024, 2:26 PM
@DrReedRichards - the musical aspects will be interwoven seamlessly just as JOKER 1's dance segments. Get a clue doc
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/12/2024, 2:29 PM
@DrReedRichards - it means it has musical elements. It is not a full-on musical. are you retarded or something? read what it says.

I get people like you who already want a film to fail, but at least sound educated in why your thought-process is what it is.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/12/2024, 2:40 PM
@DrReedRichards - The Greatest Showman wasn't a musical either, it just had musical elements like Grease.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 2:55 PM
@lazlodaytona -

Mothing I've said here or in any other article has implied that I want this movie to fail. I even doubted that it would be lackluster in my initial comment. Troll elsewhere.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 2:57 PM
@ObserverIO -

Granted I haven't watched Grease, but as for TGS I'd say it tiptoes the line between musical or not. I personally would call it one, for instance, but I can see why others wouldn't.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/12/2024, 3:34 PM
@DrReedRichards - I wouldn't call Mary Poppins a musical either, it just has a few moments of singing and dancing. And if you took all the songs out of CATS, then it's not a musical either.

(I'm attempting to be facetious, lol how'm I doing?)
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 9/12/2024, 3:43 PM
@ObserverIO -

Okay, I'm officially a moron.

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Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/12/2024, 8:46 AM
@TCronson, i've found the perftect profile photo and username for you when you lose our bet!
mountainman
mountainman - 9/12/2024, 8:55 AM
Not surprising. There was no way this was earning anywhere close to the first one.
Conquistador
Conquistador - 9/12/2024, 9:02 AM
@mountainman - I was thinking between 5 and 600mill WW, which is still a decent sum, but some still think it's going to do more...



mountainman
mountainman - 9/12/2024, 9:14 AM
@Conquistador - Oh yeah I didn’t, and still don’t think it’ll bomb like The Marvels and The Flash. But it won’t earn anywhere close to the first one.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/12/2024, 2:33 PM
@mountainman - how come? everyone doubted on the first one but, oh.... it made a billion+

what proof do you have that this film couldn't reach the first one's success despite your own personal opinion?
mountainman
mountainman - 9/12/2024, 2:37 PM
@lazlodaytona - Why would someone need proof to back their opinion? What an odd request.

Here are a few reasons:
- Overall Box Office is down since the first one came out
- Comic movies do not have as consistent of success as they did back then
- DC brand is in a worse place
- Musical elements are a turn off to some fans

No need to get offended dude. I predicted a lower box office and it’s looking like that’ll be the case.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/13/2024, 9:10 AM
@mountainman - I apologize about seeming I'm offended. I'm not. And your points are very valid. I guess I get a little irked when I see posts like, "this'll suck" and then they don't give a plausible reason why they think that. It's like being a hater for hater's sake.

Again, I'm sorry.
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 9/12/2024, 8:58 AM
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TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 9/12/2024, 9:03 AM
I still haven't even seen the first one.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 9/12/2024, 9:26 AM
@TheFinestSmack -
Neither have I, and likely won't unless it's the next thing up while I'm asleep. Not my cup of tea but more power to the folks who like to celebrate stuff like this.
thedrudo
thedrudo - 9/12/2024, 9:45 AM
@TheFinestSmack - If you’ve seen The King of Comedy or Taxi Driver, you’ve basically seen Joker.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 9/12/2024, 10:42 AM
@thedrudo - and yet most people haven't lmao
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 9/12/2024, 2:34 PM
@thedrudo - not true
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 9/12/2024, 2:43 PM
@TheFinestSmack - If you’ve seen either The King of Comedy or Taxi Driver, you’ve basically seen a much better version.
Reginator
Reginator - 9/12/2024, 9:16 AM
if it wasn't a musical I would see it opening weekend.
Forthas
Forthas - 9/12/2024, 9:20 AM
Like I have said before and will say AGAIN!!! The movie viewing audience wants realistic compelling drama like the Dark Knight Trilogy, Man of Steel, The Batman and first Joker. Every single time these moron studio execs or directors want to inject extreme nihilism (Zack Snyder), comedy (James Gunn), or now musical numbers (Todd Philips) then you are begging for failure. As usual Warner Brothers is at the front of the beggars line!
SATW42
SATW42 - 9/12/2024, 9:57 AM
@Forthas - "comedy (James Gunn)"

huh? outside of Suicide Squad, Guardians of the Galaxy was huge as a franchise and Peacemaker was a big success for Max...
Forthas
Forthas - 9/12/2024, 10:19 AM
@SATW42 - Guardians of the Galaxy was successful because it was associated With Marvel and by Marvel standards it was mediocre. For a franchise that at the time averaged a billion dollars per film, GoG has never achieved that. Add to that how the more comedy marvel kept piling on (read Thor love and Thunder) the less Marvels audience were interested in future outings of the franchise.
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