Why The 'Nolanverse' Could Work In The 'Snyderverse.'

@3D

What are you talking about? Do you think the movie is going to be a virtual simulation where the characters are thrown in and if they survive...they survive?

If you make it seem believable and not over the top, you can do anything.

Using the argument that Bales Batman wouldn't survive isn't real. Its made up. There is literally nothing backing it up.

People around here are already a little confused about how the new, potentially capable Batman will be able to go toe to toe with Superman. Replace 'new Batman' with 'Nolan's Batman,' and we'll have a real quagmire on our hands.

Its separate. END OF STORY.

Another reason it's a possibility is that Bale and Zack Snyder will be working together soon for a movie called The Last Photograph. So it's not dead. Yet.

Listening to all these people saying the universe as established by Christopher Nolan is over is what may be the very downfall of the DC universe. It absolutely CAN be incorporated into the Man of Steel world and there is nothing about it that suggests that it can't. How do we know this...because some of our MOST popular movies address this very issue. If you have not noticed...

Predator
Alien
Battleship
Cowboys and Aliens
Super 8
Independence Day
War of the Worlds


...ARE ALL movies set in a "realistic" world in which aliens are ... discovered! Given the popularity of some of them, audiences don't seem to have a problem buying in to it. It also includes in most cases non-powered humans FIGHTING aliens with their wits and the resources around them. The same thing Batman would need to do since even in the comics he is not super powered.

There is absolutely NO logical reason why The Dark Knight movies could not include aliens in which they are also discovered. The world of Lois Lane PRIOR to discovering Superman could very easily be set in the EXACT same world as Bale's Batman. So if it is acceptable for Lois Lane and Perry White to first discover the existence of a alien being then acknowledge it in their world...then there is no good reason Batman could not do so also.

The REAL reasons why it has not happened, I suspect, has more to do with not wanting to pay Bale the going rate to reprise the role. Warner Brother's does not need Nolan's permission to continue the storyline, they are the ones that OWN all of the rights to the movies. They financed and marketed it and license when and where it is shown. Nolan did not even create half the people in the movies. The characters of Batman, or any of his famous villains, or Alfred, Lucius Fox or Commissioner Gordon existed long before Nolan. In fact when Tim Burton left the first Batman, they continued with the universe he established. When Donner left Superman they...you guessed it...continued with the universe he established. Perhaps Zack Snyder is pushing a clean break because he does not want to live in the shadow of Nolan...I don't know...but the lame excuse that Nolan does not want to do it or that Bale supposedly said he did not want to continue is wrong.

Not incorporating the Dark Knight films is going to effectively ruin the DC universe if there even is one given that so far there is only 1 movie in that universe when there could very easily be four! (compared to Marvel's now seven) Doing so would have...

1) built on an already established Dark Knight following for the upcoming Superman/Batman film;

2) Neutralized marvel's claim to have their shared universe be first;

3) Kick started the DC universe which would have already potentially included 4 heroes in it (Superman, Batman, Catwoman, and presumably Nightwing);and

4) Eliminated the need to spend a lot of time (in Superman's movie) to reacquaint an audience with a totally new Batman.

Thanks for writing this article! Great job!

No Batman is broken and weak in the Nolanverse. He was never meant to handle someone of supernatural standards thats why Ras and Bane didn’t have their powers in the movie. That whole thing was meant to be human vs human. Baleman couldn’t handle Clayface, Poison Ivy, a real Bane, Manbat, Freeze or any of his supernatural villains at all. They need to reboot Batman and make him more like his animated version if he is going to survive being part of the JLA. The only reason anyone wants Baleman back is because they are comfortable with him. Get over yourself and accept the epicness that is coming our way. Once you see a Batman that can handle his own with the JLA you will understand how weak Baleman was.

I like that part about,Batman being shocked as the people in metropolis and the world.Can you imagine a flashback showing Bruce(Bale) witnessing on his screen"You are not alone",i would love that.Unfortunately our dream(combination of MOS and Nolan-verse) is in a coffin,and one of the two will happen.Snyder and Company will pull it out by the hand or will close the coffin and nail it down.Either of the two will happen in the coming weeks or months.

@sintzu....if you have a creative mind...theres always something to continue. You could easily continue the story after TDKR. It just takes a little thought. The bat cave could still originate under the Mansion...even if Wayne doesnt live there any longer. twists are to be made....but theres always a way. People are soooo closed minded.

@ redandblue. I disagree. Its true that he did have to wear a knee brace etc. but technology is such that Wayne enterprises has it all at its fingertips. I dont know how many people here have read KINGDOM COME but Batman certainly held his own even in that storyline. Batman was introduced to us this time around as being in the real world.....and then so was the man of steel.....so if you combine those ...youknow have a real world that has supernatural beings in them. kind of exciting dont you think??? I do.

If we get a new batman ...which it looks like we will then people just wont walk away satisfied....they will leave the theatre thinking..."damn...if it had only been Bale in there.(or at least the same storyline--it would be easy to change actors and keep the same trilogy in place) it could have been so much more interesting."

@sintzu

Give it a rest nobody likes Nolanverse anymore!!!

(and you came to this conclusion how ???)

Even DC/WB already specified there is no more Bale in MOS2 and they are going to cast another Batman...

Haven't you read the news?

And I'm very well sure that Nolanverse is not a DC Cinematic Universe..

DC/WB are not dumb to see what Nolanverse did to the villains...

And even Kevin Conroy would agree that Bale Batman has a Shit voice..

RRRRAAAACCCCHHHHEEEEELLLLL!!! For Crying Out Loud!!

There are plenty of actors can do better version of Batman...

Check "Bat in Sun" and compare to it to your Sh_t Bale Batman...

Don't connect TDK-verse with MOS-verse, but don't NOT connect them either.

The GA is well aware who Batman/Bruce Wayne is by now; just bring in Bats however it goes down...no need to reboot him for MOS2, just throw him in there.
If he dresses like Batman, goes by the name(s) Batman/Bruce Wayne...then he's frickin Batman. Leave it alone.

When Roger Moore or Pierce Brosnan took over 007 duties, it wasn't explained to death why Bond looked different - they were just James Bond; it's that simple really.

WB/Snyder could easily just keep most of the familiar aesthetics of TDK - Tumbler, Batpod, The Bat(so on) if they so chose just with a different actor in a new suit and it would be just fine as an "unspoken reboot" without a dragged out and obvious(or unnecessary) retelling taking up screen time.

@ naterator

You are right! It is common sense and as you can see many people have little of it. I can say personally that if Bale is Batman I would probably see that movie 4 times (as I did with TDKR and MOS) probably in IMAX. If he is not Batman I see it once in 2D at a matinee. There is no sense in thrusting a new Batman on the public when the current one fits everything that WB is supposedly after and Zack Snyder specifically SAID he wanted to direct Bale in a Dark Knight Returns movie.

I hope you understand all these people talking about "Bale's voice" and how the "Dark Knight" movies are supposedly bad or that people should "move on" because of some half truth about "Bale not wanting to continue" are fanboys who lack the ability to realize how Epic a union of the Dark Knight films and MOS would be. They are an EXTREME minority.

@Tainted

"Like some have already said, it isn't about the fantastical elements - it's about Nolan's interpretation of Batman.

I think I see the big problem - Year One was the big influence on Batman Begins. It was literally this Batman's freshman year. The Dark Knight went with the Killing Joke and the Long Halloween for its villains, and tried to make Batman stretch out a LITTLE bit further, but not too much to be a great leap from Year One.
Then by the Dark Knight Rises, Nolan takes inspiration from what is universally known as one of the greatest Batman stories ever (I disagree, but that's me) "the Dark Knight Returns", with Knightfall and No Man's Land having some secondary influences.

All three stories rely on Batman being very experienced, very disciplined, and NOT alone.

No Man's Land has a whole Batman army (Huntress, Oracle, Cassandra, Jean-Paul, Dick, and Tim) trying to keep the peace in Gotham while he's doing his thing as Bruce Wayne trying to convince the richest people in the world to invest in its reconstruction.

Knightfall has Tim, new character Jean-Paul, and later Dick trying to restore "Batman" in Gotham while Bruce is recovering.

Basically, Nolan painted himself into a corner."

How is that painting himself into a corner? Isn't that just painting his trilogy? It sounds like from what you said, Nolan touched on all the major points in Batman's career in the comics. What's the problem? (You know that Nolan doesn't want his trilogy connected to any DC universe, right? He just want his own separate thing so it doesn't become tainted (no pun intended) by whatever DC does next)

It's Not happening get that in your head!