Damon Lindelof Hints That The Klingons Will Be The Main Villains In STAR TREK 3

Damon Lindelof Hints That The Klingons Will Be The Main Villains In STAR TREK 3

While chatting to HeyUGuys, the writer/producer reveals that there may already be a plot in place for the third Star Trek movie, and although the Klingons are glimpsed in Into Darkness, they will likely play a much bigger role in the threequel..

By MarkCassidy - May 03, 2013 08:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Star Trek
Source: Hey U Guys

HeyUGuys nabbed Damon Lindelof last night at the premiere of Star Trek Into Darkness and quizzed him about any possible plans for future movies. The producer said that even on the first film they had an idea for what they wanted to include in the second in terms of the villain etc, and this led to the obvious question: Do they have plans in place for the third, and do they know who the primary antagonist(s) will be?



“I think that is a reasonable conclusion. You should always know where you’ve been, you should always know where you are, but most importantly, and I learned this from Lost, you should know where you’re going. You can never see enough Klingons, and I think in this film we’ve given the audience a little taste, but there’s also a promise that there’s a larger conflict on the horizon, and that would be fun to see.”


Lindelof also reckons there's a good chance that Benedict Cumberbatch will return to terrorize the crew of The Enterprise again -- but only if he survives Into Darkness of course! He also says there's a possibility of seeing the likes of Q and The Borg enter the fray, and even eventually some type of Next Generation crossover -- but I'd assume this is all wishful thinking for now. Click on the link below for the full interview.









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Nadj76
Nadj76 - 5/3/2013, 8:15 AM
Won't be JJ making it so....
ndwwrestler2
ndwwrestler2 - 5/3/2013, 8:44 AM
It's Star Trek. It's Star Trek Villains in a Star Trek movie. Not surprised here.

Peter Jackson or Brad Bird should take over the new Trek In my opinion.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/3/2013, 8:48 AM
I think Grif should write and direct the third movie. He can have Q as the villain, and if Uhura so much a stands up from her com-station to take a leak he can have him beat her to death with her own shoes.
DrainBamage
DrainBamage - 5/3/2013, 9:18 AM
@fettastic Not really Star Trek's style. TOS and TNG focused mainly on exploration. The idea is by exploring and learning about other cultures, we learn about ourselves. Those two shows weren't really focused on the military aspects of Starfleet. Now DS9 on the other hand is a different story.

The beauty of DS9 is that the build up to the Dominion War wasn't rushed at all. It took several seasons but it was definitely worth it. It was almost as though that's what the show ultimately became about.
DRMidNite
DRMidNite - 5/3/2013, 9:42 AM
He looks like a rapper...LOL
EastcoastAvenger
EastcoastAvenger - 5/3/2013, 9:50 AM
Q entering the fold and using Picard to set things straight in the ST universe is what I want to be seeing in a theater soon.
exe
exe - 5/3/2013, 9:53 AM
IMO another director should take it from here. Leave Abrams on Star Wars. From what I've heard, Into Darkness isn't that great, so another visionary should take a crack at this franchise.
KalebAmos
KalebAmos - 5/3/2013, 10:03 AM
Worf! :D
scootaloo
scootaloo - 5/3/2013, 10:09 AM
As long as they don’t keep that dumb Cardassian look.
captainireland
captainireland - 5/3/2013, 10:12 AM
@fettastic I don't think there was ever any full scale, drawn out war between the Federation and the Klingons. Just skirmishes here and there when they crossed each other's paths. At most it was like a cold war. Then by the time of the TNG-era they were allies barring a quick conflict in the middle of DS9. Not to say something different couldn't happen in this timeline of course but we didn't miss out on any major Klingon war in the original timeline. The only big conflict we missed out on that intersected with a period when any of the crews were active was the Romulan War and that took place a hundred years before the Abrahms movies.
WarnerBrother
WarnerBrother - 5/3/2013, 10:20 AM
At the start of TOS,the Romulan's were almost forgotten behind the Neutral Zone.
It was the Klingons that were the primary threat to the Federation and it seemed to be implied that the Federation /Klingon Empire Neutral Zone was the result of a war began as a result of a botched First Contact.
jaysin420
jaysin420 - 5/3/2013, 10:25 AM
"I learned this from Lost, you should know where you’re going.....oh yea, I also learned this from Prometheus."
captainireland
captainireland - 5/3/2013, 10:38 AM
@blkyank Then Enterprise went and contradicted that be showing a relatively peaceful first contact with Klingons in its first episode. Before that I read somewhere that first contact took place in 2222 and was disastrous. But Berman and co decided to retcon it to 2151 for no reason whatsoever.
DRMidNite
DRMidNite - 5/3/2013, 10:55 AM
Berman didn't NEED a reason to [frick] something up.
AustinFan4Life
AustinFan4Life - 5/3/2013, 1:03 PM
I'm all for a Next Gen Cross over, technically speaking, the original timeline still does exist, so it is entire theoretical that any member of the Next Gen crew could pop up, if they traveled back in time, since their jump in time would land them in this alternate timeline(i.e. See Back to the Future Part II for that explanation).

The borg need to stay away though, we've had almost too much of it, yes it was needed for the First Contact film & it turned out to be a great film, but it's bad when you see villians showing up TOO much. In the 23rd century, the Borg were still deep in the Delta Quadrant, I don't think it would make sense for them to show up in the 23rd century, even in the new timeline.

Now onto Q, THAT is a much needed villian that needs his own film. But it depends on which Q they are talking about, the Next Gen Q played by John de Lancie or if it's another Q from the Continuum. Yes, John de Lancie is kind of old, 65 right now, but as far as I'm concerned HE IS Q. I would love nothing more than to see him return to the role that many saw him perfect in the Next Gen Series.(maybe even via time travel, he is a Q after all & can show up at any time & place with the snap of a finger) However, I am open to the possibility of another Q from the Continuum(since they are named Q), being the main villian.

In fact in The Original Series, in the episode "The Squire of Gothos" there was a charactered named General Trelane, who is described as an eccentric being who uses his apparently unlimited power over matter. That is pretty much a discription of what Q is, heck it's even generally accepted that General Trelane was a Q, even though they didn't call him Q or mention the Continuum in that episode, but even John de Lancie said that his inspiration for Q, was based off of that character. So I think in that sense, he would be the perfect character to use as Q's(or another Q) re-introduction into the Star Trek Universe(via the alternate timeline). I've bee saying it a long time that Q needed his own movie & I personally would've loved to see how Kirk & Spock would've handled John de Lancie's Q, but honestly, I think the part would be recast, just due to de Lancie's age, but I think he'd be a perfect villian for the next Star Trek film(other than the obvious of the Klingons).
dancingmonkey08
dancingmonkey08 - 5/3/2013, 1:35 PM
YESSSS! Just what I hoped aNd wanted, after being characters in the background of the first two, they finally get pissed off and become the main villains of the third one. Get an amazing actor to portray a badass Klingon general and you have an awesome movie.

Plus bring the third one out in 2016, for the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. It would be fitting to have the greatest villains of the original series (apart from the Romulans) be the main villains for the movie which comes out in the 50th year

I see the next Star Trek movie being very similar to Skyfall, a movie which comes out in the 50th year, celebrates the past, looks to the future and finally brings the characters to the point they were at when we originally met them in the 60s. Because it seems this Star Trek trilogy is all about the evolution of the characters we know, from young inexperienced people into the characters we love from the very beginning



And JJ could still conclude his trilogy, he will probably have time to make his final Star Trek movie between Star Wars Ep 7 and 8.
captainireland
captainireland - 5/3/2013, 1:54 PM
@AustinFan4Life But if a character arrives into the Abrahms timeline from the future, they'd be from the future of the current timeline and the current timeline would become another separate timeline to their future from the moment they arrived in the past. Like how the Abrahms timeline was the original timeline until the moment Nero arrived back. (Which means Enterprise takes place in both timelines and can be followed by the 09 film OR the original timeline. Serious mindf*ck!). So basically any TNG character arriving back would be from a future also affected by Nero's tampering and any TNG character from the original timeline going back in time would arrive in a completely separate timeline to the current one...I've hurt my own head now. This is why I hate time travel as a plot device unless it follows the rule of whatever happens happened. Back to the Future gets away with it though for being awesome and less than serious.
VictorHugo
VictorHugo - 5/3/2013, 6:56 PM
captainireland: Picard can enter the newtimeline using the "Guardian of Forever", all realities are open to him.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/3/2013, 9:30 PM
@AustinFan4Life: I hate when people claim that the Borg showed up "too much." It shows that they are clearly not paying attention. This list just gives an example of which species showed up how many times:

Klingons:
ENT: (11)
TOS: (7)
TAS: (2)
TNG: (31)
DS9: (49)
VOY: (14)
films: (8)

Romulans:
ENT: (5)
TOS: (3)
TAS: (3)
TOS films: (3)
TNG: (21)
TNG films: (2)
DS9: (16)
VOY: (6)

Ferengi:
TNG: (15)
DS9: (70)
VOY: (5)
ENT: (2)

Borg:
TNG: (6)
DS9: "Emissary"
Star Trek: First Contact
VOY: (22)
ENT: "Regeneration"

Your Trek fan card has been revoked. Leave the bridge, do not take the turbolift, do not kiss Uhura on the way out.
AustinFan4Life
AustinFan4Life - 5/3/2013, 10:13 PM
@ captainireland

Here's the only probably with that theory, about TNG characters arriving in the past. If they travel from any moment of their future, into any moment after the year 2233(the events of Star Trek-2009), then they would arrive in the alternate timeline(again see Back to the Future Part II), if they were to travel anytime before that year, then they would still be part of their original timeline, since Nero didn't show up until 2233.

Remember Abrams said himself that the original timeline is still in tact, meaning nothing in the original timeline was affected by Nero's presence, but Nero's presence alone, did create an alternate timeline, which also theoretically created alternate versions of those TNG characters(like in BTTF II, with Biff, Marty's mom, etc).

So with all that being said, no matter which timeline those TNG character were to travel from, they would still end up in the alternate timeline & the alternate universe, with no way of returning to their time, without traveling further back in time(before Nero arrived) & then traveling back to their own timeline from there. Example: Original timeline Spock.
AustinFan4Life
AustinFan4Life - 5/3/2013, 10:42 PM
@ Luminus

Usually when people say the Borg show up too much, it's because the Borg are by far the most superior type of villain, than any other villain in Star Trek history. Technically speaking, The Borg are supposed to be unbeatable(although Starfleet always found a way to beat them). So from that stand point, The Borg were over used in the Star Trek.

Oh & you missed a couple for The Borg. TOS Epsiode "The Doomsday Machine" & Star Trek The Motion Picture.

Both have been retcon by the producers as being part of the origins of the Borg.

Now I wasn't comparing The Borg to any other villain, I've said it before in the past, that the Klingon's were over used, it's just that when you have a special villain, that is supposed to be unbeatable....they don't show up as often as they do, you have them for special moments & special occasions, not once a week or once a month, type deals(which is how it seemed, after their primary appearances in TNG)

While I would like to see how Kirk & crew would deal with them, I still feel that the Borg are a villain that would make much more sense with TNG crew, especially since the Borg are deep within the Delta Quadrant in the 23rd century. And if you believe what is said in Voyager, it would take close to 70 years, at max warp, just to get to the Alpha Quadrant, THAT is why The Borg doesn't make sense for them to show up in the current timeline quite yet.

Now I'm in no way disagreeing with you & yes, if your statistics are correct(which for argument sake, I'll say they are, minus the two add ons, I pointed out), then yes, there were villains who showed up more, also Klingons were allies of the Federation in TNG series, so they wouldn't have counted as villains, case & point is Worf serving on the Enterprise. Anyways back to my point, sure other villains showed up a lot more, but The Borg were seen WAAAAAAYYYYY too often then they should have.
Luminus
Luminus - 5/3/2013, 11:35 PM
@AustinFan4Life: The Doomsday Machine and Star Trek: the Motion Picture DO NOT feature the borg. You're talking about novels written after the fact that refer to that episode/movie, both of which are not canon.

As for how the Borg were able to get to the Alpha Quadrant so quickly, this was hinted at in TNG's "I, Borg," explained in Voyager's "End Game," and noted in Enterprise's "Regeneration."

The Borg showed up as many times as they should, considering Voyager was flying around in their part of the galaxy. How in the world was Voyager going to avoid running into these guys, while traveling through the Delta Quadrant? It would be like Picard and crew never running into Romulans but twice for the entire run of TNG. So, in that respect, you're right. The problem isn't quantity, it's quality. The Borg are way to powerful to have been shown being resisted so many times.

Ensign, I don't recognize this bridge officer. Call security, now! >;)
AustinFan4Life
AustinFan4Life - 5/4/2013, 6:28 AM
@ Luminus

I didn't say they showed up those times, I said both the episode & Star Trek The Motion Picture, were tied into the Borg origins, so technically speaking, that counts as an appearance. Again this was all retcon by the producers of the show, prior to JJ Abrams reboot.

But here's the thing about how the Borg arrived in the Alpha Quadrant, that I believe you've over looked. At the end of the Enterprise "regeneration" episode, it was stated that before the Borg's destruction, Jonathan Archer was told that The Borg sent out a distress call(or subspace message as it was said in that episode), & Archer was told by T'pol after they analyzed the message "it was take two hundred years, for a message to reach the Delta Quadrant" to which Archer responded "it seems to me we've only postponed the invasion, until what? The 24th Century?" And according to that episode that was in 2153, which would mean that since that portion of the timeline is unaffected by the Nero Incident, then the message would still take til the 24th century for the Borg to receive that distress call in the Delta Quadrant.

This was again verified by the producers of the show, that explained that's why when you first see The Borg in the episode of "Q Who?" (when Q sent the Enterprise into the Delta Quadrant) they are traveling at high warp, as they were responding to that distress call, before they ended up detecting & intercepting the Enterprise D. Again, this was retconned by the producers. They also explained how it only took them a year to reach earth, from the Delta Quadrant, after that first appearance, that was when the Borg first put their Transwarp Conduits online.

All of this is explained how they reached the Alpha Quadrant in the 24th Century, the same explanation can't be used to "theoretically explain" how they would end up in the 23rd century. The only way that it would make sense, for the Borg to be active in the 23rd century, is to tie their re-introduction in with Q(like what was done in TNG series), if they decide to re-introduce Q in the 23rd century, but not by the same explanation that you gave for them showing up in the 23rd century.

It made perfect sense for Voyager to run into them & as well as them showing up in TNG series(since that's when they were introduced), but was an annoyance seeing them randomly pop up in Enterprise. I can forgive their appearance in DS9, since that was the beginning of the series & used it as a plot device, but they still appeared way too much. With a villain like The Borg, I would rather have seen few appearance with the quality of appearances that should've been respected with, when it comes to a villain like The Borg. They can't, nor should they have been, been used in the same way the Klingons, Romulans, or even the Ferengi are. That's again why you quality over quantity analogy makes sense, in that perspective.
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