SPOILERS: The Spin-Off Team Assembles In New Set Photos From THE FLASH

Let me know when season 1 is complete and finished. [frick]ing mid season breaks turned me off this show.

Sara's return is easy to explain, the Lazarus Pit. But Captain Cold? How the hell do you explain him being there and them not kicking him to a bloody pulp

Something screams Flashpoint. So Captain Cold is a hero maybe?

@CommanderShepard

So the only thing different in this Flashpoint universe is that Cold is a hero?....seems unlikely...

Clearly Oliver still knows Barry and vice versa, Ray is still the Atom....not enough change for it to be a "new universe"

@Kr08

"Sara's return is easy to explain, the Lazarus Pit."

Except both Nyssa and Ra's had access to it this season and neither chose to use it for over 8 months (Season 3)

I don't believe they are doing a Flashpoint event. Time travel, yes. Flashpoint, no.
ATOM and Stein are the brains.
Hawkgirl and Sara are the muscle.
Captain Cold is the rogue that is planning something on the side. I believe that he will be the Wells/Eobard of the show. He is incredibly smart and knows how to plan ahead even better than any other hero.

@Arrowverse Nyssa didn't have access. Ra's didn't even like Sara, why bring her back? If Nyssa even tried it Ra's would've killed Sara and why would she go against her father? She wanted to be the leader of the League, even now she won't go against him.

@Kr08

Nyssa didn't have access? The Pit was in no way protected lol...clearly Nyssa knew of its existence AND has defied her father before...I doubt she wouldn't put 2 and 2 together. I'm doubtful she would be like "OK my father has this pit that could (we don't know if this version does) bring back the dead", "I have defied him before", "this death impacts me in a huge way"..."but I won't defy him again"...

If its the Lazarus Pit and Ra's wouldn't do it and Nyssa " doesn't have access" then are you suggesting it is Oliver? Because that would pretty quickly cancel out the "Roy dies" theory...because if he tosses one 8+month old dead body in why not one that would be less then a month old?

@KurtWagner1225 Yea seems kind of weird

@MisterSuperior I personally have hopes for the "designs" Cisco mentioned at the end of the crossover

These shows are so stupid lol

@Kr08

What and they just happen to bring Sara's body?

Nyssa - "We're off to Nanda to fight my father"
Laurel - "Ok lemme just grab something"

*Digs up sisters body and puts her in carry on case*

Laurel - "Got it"

lol

I just can't wait until Cisco gets his powers and becomes VIBE! I don't know how they'll do it though. They might not go the Boom Tube route like the New 52. Although they will probably give him the New 52 powers just not origin of those powers. Maybe during a fight between the Flash and Reverse Flash they open a Speed Force portal and Cisco gets caught in it like he did in the Boom Tube and it gives him his powers.

@Kr08

Wells whats interesting is that Cisco gives Laurel her Canary Cry Collar in Episode 19 of the Flash....both of their "powers" are based on sound displacement, so that could be the catalyst or "cool idea" that drives Cisco to become Vibe.

@MrBatman

"These shows are so stupid lol"

Says a guy named 'MrBatman', lmao.

@SirSpamsAlot

" Iron Man ripoff shit."

Persona and Characterization: Is Ray Palmer rich in the comics? No ... Could he be? Probably BUT Is Ted Kord rich in the comics? To some degree...yes, yes he is.

Why mention Ted Kord? Despite Ted Kord's wealth being not as assured as Oliver Queen's and Bruce Wayne's (he was always wasting it here and there and needing to formulate "get rich quick" schemes to keep his company, Kord Industries afloat) Ted Kord was comparatively wealthy. Not only was Ted Kord wealthy, but Ted Kord was set to appear on Arrow in its third season in the exact role played by Ray Palmer. Kord Industries was being set up with easter eggs dating back all the way to Arrow's first season, something many fans seem to forget. Executives had planned on using Ted Kord even up until the casting call, which searched for a character by the name of "Dan" (an homage to the first Blue Beetle, Ted Kord being the second) when casting for Ted Kord. It was a mere 2-3 weeks prior to the first episode of Season 3 being shot that executives of Arrow released a statement saying that WB had now made Ted Kord "off limits due to other plans" and that they would now be using Ray Palmer instead, this should explain the reasoning behind Palmer Industries and Ray's newfound non-comic wealth. They were not "ripping off" Tony Stark, they merely had a character, who did have money set up as a plot point for Season 3 who they had to quickly sub-out for another similar character.

As for Brandon Routh's portrayal of the character, many people call this male version of a Felicity a "ripoff of Tony Stark". "Male version of Felicity" may be an exaggeration, but besides being a smart guy with a lot of money, the comparisons really stop there.

Tony Stark - Rich - Jerk, Arrogant, Throws Money Left and Right
Ray Palmer (CW) - Rich - Funny, Charismatic, Thus Far Pretty Cautious With His Money

The two characters have little in common past the vast wealth and charming smile, and before Iron Man (2008) and RDJ's portrayal, Iron Man wasn't nearly as cocky and arrogant as he is now.


Suit: "Ah he wears a suit...Iron-Man Lite!" ... Except... aside from looking more humanoid then most suits, Tony's armor and Ray's exo-suit serve two completely different purposes. Whereas Tony's armor essentially functions for him, what he lifts, is lifted by the suit not him, Ray's suit merely enhances his own strength, hence the name "exo-suit". Also, this is not the first time Ray Palmer has worn an exo-suit, in both Brightest Day and some of his New 52 appearances Ray has been seen sporting an exo-layer over his typical costume, the design was simply changed. Ray has also been seen to use numerous "ray-guns" (pun intended) of his own invention...those...were simply built into this exo-suit.

By the logic used above characters like: Steel, Rocket Red, Lex Luthor (in his war suit), Iron Lad, Doctor Doom, and many others also rip off Iron Man...

Lastly, there is one key element that everyone overlooks...the project Ray began working on was originally called "OMAC" a reference to the "One Man Army Core" of DC comics. Despite not being struck by Brother Eye and becoming an enhanced being, Ray's initial exo-suit build certainly is allowing him to become a version of an "One Man Army Core", and I am sure that the suit will become more streamlined once Ray discovers the ability to shrink. Why does he not shrink right away?... Ted Kord is the answer once again...he wasn't supposed to have a secondary ability, that was a complete curveball thrown to the writers when they were told to replace Kord with someone else and they chose Palmer. Ted Kord, unlike Ray Palmer, is just a guy in a suit using his inventions to do good, no amazing abilities needed...

@Arrowverse Don't encourage SirSpam, It's Dexter. Vibe's powers aren't just sound based, they are interdimensional powers as well.
"When a Boom Tube opened up on Cisco Ramon he was trapped in between dimensions for a matter of seconds. Enough time elapsed before he was pulled out and began vibrating between physical planes. While not always visible, Vibe is constantly vibrating at a frequency of a Boom Tube."
"Vibe can emit powerful vibrations from his body. He normally focuses this energy through his hands to create shock waves powerful enough to level a house or shake a Parademon to pieces."

I'm honestly caring less and less about these shows. The Flash is still my favorite TV show, but I think the main reason for that is because they please the fans with nostalgia. If this had been a movie like it was supposed to, it wouldn't have been very good. Just some thoughts. Not hating.