Thanks To Innovations By Marvel's Costume Department, Vincent D'Onofrio Wants To Keep Playing Kingpin Forever

@MarvelZombie616 - I absolutely love him as Wilson Fisk, but I sure as hell would love to see him, reprise his role as Bobby Goren. I loved him in that role, especially in the earlier seasons on NBC. When it moved to Universal emphasized his mental health problems much more than I appreciated. I liked him better as the Sherlock Holmes of the major crimes unit.

@ClintThaHamster - good advice. Thank you

@AnthonyVonGeek - man just posted that he was my 2nd favorite Thor then saw you beat me to it by 4 hrs 😂..

@DocSpock - And if they bring Mysterio back they could throw a little Guardian Devil our way.

@ObserverIO -

With all the multiverse/variant nonsense, they just might.

@DocSpock - Yeah, I just read the article with D'Onofrio talking about Kingpin's future and he made a good point that we saw that in "Echo" his business has expanded beyond just Hell's Kitchen and is now stretching at least across the States (not sure exactly where Maya's hometown is) and could go global, so it would make sense for him to show up in a lot of different places. Plus if/when he becomes the mayor of NYC, that's one of the most powerful positions in the US, so he would definitely have global recognition by then, so I think that multiple shows/movies is a must and hopefully that's what he's being lined up for (kinda seems like that based on what Vince said).

@DocSpock - Yep, I know 75 well (I just had surgery on my hand about 2 weeks ago in Anna, just north of McKinney and I made a joke to my doctor (who is one of the owners of the surgery centers) "So I guess property is cheaper up here in OK?") and I used to have to take 75 on my daily commute from Plano to Richardson for my previous job.

Anyhow, back to Kingpin, yeah if he's reaching all the way from NYC to OK that's definitely an increase in his business. Now that we know that he didn't get blipped/snapped/dusted/whatever, it makes sense that during those 5 years he would take advantage of the situation and expand his empire, particularly by going after the areas abandoned by those who did get snapped. I mean, as Aristotle famously said "Nature abhors a vacuum"" so there you go.Now that the Netflix shows are canon, I hope that we get enough time with Fisk in either "DD:BA" or "SM4" or whatever where they go into what Fisk, DD, et. al had been up to during those 5 years, particularly with how Fisk's empire has expanded since we last saw him in the Netflix series.

Either way, seeing as how this seems to be playing out, I think that Marvel did a smart thing by making the Netflix shows canon (regardless of how much they end up actually using and how much the ignore) because that saves them LOTS of backstory and exposition, just like what they did with Fisk in "Echo" about his childhood trauma and killing his father. They handled it well enough (in my opinion anyway) that if you watched the Netflix DD shows you got the deep dive into Fisk and his psychology but if not, here's a brief recap.

So what's cool and different about this now that we haven't really seen much of in the MCU so far is that if we take into consideration the Netflix background for Fisk and what we saw in "Echo", we're watching the slow-burn development of a supervillain across several years as he slowly acquires power and spreads his influence and expands his empire. We haven't really seen that type of character development for a MCU villain (outside of Loki), and it's cool to watch. I mean, at this point, who knows WhAT he was up to during the blip and how far his empire actually extends to. Hopefully they do a similar slow-burn build-up approach with Doom as well (but obviously not the organized crime approach).

@DocSpock - Same here. I said in another thread that a cool idea (to me at least) when they fully introduce Doom would be to show flashbacks to certain plot holes or unresolved threads throughout the history of the MCU thus far and reveal that "It Was Doom All Along" (as long as he doesn't do a cheesy song and dance number during that reveal - but even then if anyone could crush it it would be Doom 😉), as he is the master manipulator. Kinda like the end of "The Usual Suspects" where you get that "holy shit" feeling.

Like, how did the 10 Rings know where Tony's caravan was going to be in the desert in "IM1"? Doom. How did Hammer find out about Vanko in "IM2" Doom. And so on. You don't want to go overboard and stretch it too far (like he was behind EVERY unanswered question), but just enough to demonstrate that he's been pulling the strings for years all from the comfort of his high-backed Doom chair deep down in his Doom lair watching the events of the world happen in real-time on his Doom monitors. That would be cool if done well.

@DocSpock - Already did. I've been on hold for a week and a half...

But, hell man, people want more f**king connectivity between the MCU projects, there you go!

"so why do you need to be this negative ?"

None of this is negativity, it's just actually looking at the reality of what we know here.

There are no plans for Kingpin beyond Daredevil: Born Again currently. He does not have 5/6 years in the role unless they are released far apart, he has Daredevil: Born Again Season 1 and Daredevil: Born Again Season 2.

Some people are theorizing he may have a role in Spider-man 4, but that's not currently decided because while Tom Holland may be willing IF the script is good enough, they have not actually contracted him to return yet.

Sony have also not agreed with Marvel to make a Spider-man 4 with them, they have no incentive to do so because Spider-man: NWH made the highest box office any of Phase 4 or 5 film so far and they own the character.

I also cannot logically see them trying to top Spider-man: NWH by just giving us Daredevil and Kingpin. It makes a lot more sense if they are going to do something different and are spreading false rumors about Daredevil and Kingpin to distract from that.

If Disney are involved then I wouldn't be surprised if the main villain of Spider-man 4 is the recast Kang as it'd be a way to ensure everyone see's and knows who Kang is prior to Avengers 5.

There's also potential for Sony to push for Spider-man 4 to adapt the Sinister Six which they've been trying to do for nearly two decades as they'll have introduced Kraven by that point meaning the live-action villains of Spider-man include all the OG Sinister Six members: Doc Ock, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Sandman and Kraven.

Avengers 5/6/7 are also the end of the MCU as we know it currently, then they are rebooting. Whether it's a soft or full reboot, they are intending to recast iconic characters so it's more likely they'd focus on new dynamics and younger portrayals. Kingpin will have been around for over a decade at that point given he first appeared in Daredevil in 2015. Honestly they've done pretty much everything with the character also.

"The guy enjoys playing the hell out of this role"

He used to, yes. It's clear he seemed to not care about Hawkeye and he's actively expressed disinterest in Echo, due to the writing, in interviews - expressing he felt like he had to make up for the lacking script.

It seems clear he agreed to those solely because they were stepping stones for a Daredevil series where he hoped it'd be of the same quality and focus of the Netflix series where he could express his range as an actor.

The announcement comes and he gets an 18 episode first season of Daredevil, he films his role for 9 episodes of Daredevil: Born Again, then the executives looked at it and determined it as complete and utter garbage and scrapped everything.

Now they are splitting it into two 9 episode seasons and he's going to have to do even more filming with the knowledge that everything he did before has been thrown away. That's bound to be disheartening as an actor to know all that time and effort was wasted.

"that's how you build a consistent universe"

We don't have a consistent universe anymore. That's why they are rebooting everything. None of the shows, films, anything that happens is consistent with anything else. It's not a consistent connected universe if nothing that happens is consistent or connected.