Cyclops Actor Explains Why "Superman Returns" Sucked

Ex-X-man James Marsden, who's mutant character, "Cyclops," was fried in X3, and who coincidentally played Lois Lane's non-super boyfriend in Superman Returns, tells us why the movie didn't fly with the fans.

By Galactus - Sep 22, 2008 12:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Superman
Source: MTV Splash Page



“Honestly, my theory is that the white bread element of Superman or the virtuous element of Superman wasn’t that exciting to young people, the videogame generation. You’ve got to have some edgy, kick-ass dark side to the character to make people want to be him,” Marsden said. “There was something old school, virtuous — which I actually loved — and white bread about Superman that didn’t resonate so much. I loved the movie that Brian made. But maybe I’m the anomaly and I don’t represent what young fans want to see.”

In the end, Marsden doesn’t think that Warner’s decision to go darker is a good one -– but a necessary one, he said.

“[Audiences] want to see darkness and Superman doesn’t represent that. I like that about him, but honestly that’s the reason why,” Marsden continued. “Look at ‘The Dark Knight’ and Christian Bale. He’s the hero but there’s a kick-ass darkness to him. Or Wolverine and ‘X-Men.’ Superman was virtuous and the reluctant superhero. He never told a lie. He eats apple pie. I don’t know if that’s something the young kids want to aspire to. It’s kind of sad to me.”


So Marsden is towing the WB party line by actually agreeing with the current belief (within the movie company) that Superman should go "dark!"

Most hardcore fans think this would be a disaster. What do you guys think? Is Marsden right, or wrong about going in that direction? Take the poll and let us know.

Should Superman Go Dark?





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mikel21
mikel21 - 10/2/2008, 7:57 PM
first of all i can't stand superman because he is pretty much a god. I like some of the movies, but superman returns was horrible it was like watching the first one again story line wise but better picture.....and i didn't like the actor who played superman/clark kent. Another Thing I Didn't Like Was How They Had A actor From xmen playing in the movie. This is why i don't think any actor that is in a comic movie as an important character like cyclops should play in another movie like in superman becuase it could confuse people. i think they should do another superman do it better get the actor from smallville and revamp it like they did the hulk
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 11/25/2008, 4:24 PM
confuse who? retards? there actors for christ sake
halfvulcan
halfvulcan - 12/26/2008, 2:23 PM
People need Superman now more than ever. And there's no reason he can't be a solid figure of good and still be interesting. There is so much potential for stories to be written for him. He is pure goodness with very few character flaws and even fewer weaknesses. Yet, there are so many possibilities within those weaknesses and flaws to be exploited by villains, and even sweeter moments of triumph for Superman to be had than we've yet seen on the big screen. I know that I could write a better story than has been written, and were I not trying to figure out where my next meal is coming from, I would.
We don't need darkness in Superman, but we do need a bit more physical strength and charisma than we saw in Brandon Routhe as Superman. And I hate to say that, but sometimes an actor, good as he is, just doesn't look the part. Instead of going for someone who looks like Christopher Reeve, we need someone who looks like Superman. Right? I think I'm right. Scratch that. I know I'm right. And while we're at it, find an actor with a better build and slightly more rugged good looks why don't we? I'm getting so tired of Superman on the screen having a boy-face. Aim for the comic book picture at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Superman.jpg . That is the template. He is Superman. In other words, no Brandon Routh, no Chris Welling, etc... We nearly all want to see him on the screen. Not some little guy wearing the outfit cut down to fit his smaller frame.
Superman's biggest physical weakness, is of course, kryptonite. It's also the biggest weakness I've seen in stories created about Superman: the over-reliance on the use of kryptonite. Okay, and too much Lex Luthor as well gets stale. It needs to come back to him occasionally but give him a breather in between.
Superman has other less obvious weaknesses. For instance, he is only one being. He can't be everywhere at once. Even though he is super-fast, he doesn't seem to have the complete speed package that The Flash is equipped with, yet I still think Superman's super-speed is under-used way too much in the movies.

His protection of us and other species is another. He often can't use the limits of his powers while he's in our atmosphere because the effects could be catastrophic to the planet. The fight between Superman and the merciless General Zod should have taken out a city or entire countryside, yet Zod seemed to be content with only endangering a passenger bus. He even commented on Kal-El's weakness and didn't exploit it any further, which was totally lame. Granted, that was done in the early 80s when our expectations and effects budgets weren't as high, but now we expect something much better.
This little rant of mine isn't quite organized, but in it you'll find all the primary points that will lead to a great Superman movie. Oh yeah, and quit rewriting Superman's history!!! He has no son. He just doesn't!!! How can you do that to us? To Superman! It's wrong wrong wrong wrong...............
halfvulcan
halfvulcan - 12/26/2008, 11:49 PM
There are so many natural catastrophes that could happen any day with little warning. There are giant glaciers hanging on that are going to drop into the ocean some day, causing tsunamis. There are supervolcanoes that are due any time now, any of which would envelop the entire world in a sun-blocking cloud for months and violently destroy an unimaginably large area and all life in it.
Personally, I'd have a Superman movie that begins with a huge-scale Earth-bound natural disaster crisis and ends with Superman stopping a massive invasion force from an advanced hostile alien civilization. I guess it could be Darkseid or Brainiac or any of a bunch of villains from the Superman comic books. Maybe even forget that Superman 2 ever existed and redo the fight with General Zod.
greenlantern161
greenlantern161 - 5/30/2009, 1:12 PM
Okay, so halfvulcan. You have got the right idea. Never have I heard someone put all the ideas I have and a few more of his own so eloquently. Thank God someone understands the amazing concept of Superman. He IS good, and that IS a good thing. He is meant to inspire. Don't get me wrong, I like dark heroes like Batman, because they make for great literature. But let us face it, Superman is the one hero who we can really and truly admire, because he inspires others and has a larger positive effect on the world than he does negative. Batman, you could say, despite all of his good intentions, fails to inspire sometimes. Gotham's citizens just come to rely on Batman more and more. And he also fails to protect Gotham by inspiring more villains who hate him like the Joker in Dark Knight. And though I admire Batman for his struggle and perseverance, I cannot see that he actually makes much of a difference. However, Superman does because he is a beacon of light, not a dark and fearful hero. And that's the kind of hero I would like to see on the big screen. Halfvulcan, if they cannot have you write the screenplay, they could at least take a cue from some of the great Superman graphic novels such as Superman For All Seasons and the recent All-Star Superman series. It IS possible to be good, and fun, and even intellectual!
Emperor
Emperor - 6/27/2009, 9:19 PM
Superman doesn't need to go dark, he just needs complexity and good story telling. Did J.J. make Star Trek "dark" to get it to the new generation? No. He just added complexity and good story. That's all you need. Not a Superman going around throwing bad guys off of roofs. Just Superman with inner emotional stuff going on and the realities of being a sort of god, and the complexities and demons and such of the world in which he lives and his getting along in it like you saw in Star Trek. Darkness was also only part of what made the "Dark Knight" good in itself. The greatest things that came from that were complexity and good story. For Batman, that came from darkness because that's the character. For Superman, it just needs to come from something that works for him. To go dark with Superman, though, would be basically little more than a return to the "Dark ages" of comics when Superman was a pony-tale wearing whiny Generation X depression case who would willingly beat criminals half to death for information rather than keeping in mind he'd find it out without unnecessary violence.
Seal87
Seal87 - 8/4/2009, 2:16 AM
Well the movie sucked mostly because it tried to please everybody. They used references and music from the Christopher Reeve films, but contradicted them. Also many people thought so before, but the new suit was more homoerotic than ever. Marvel is more for liberal stuff like that. DC fans mostly like values that don't change with fashion. A lot of people like to argue with me that Brandon looks like Chris's twin. Only Jor-El, Jimmy and Lex, played their characters believably. And the new ones too. Parker posey could have been a better Lois, in my opinion. Anyway, different people like to make movies differently. If you read any of what was trying to happen to Superman movies in the 90s, this was a LOT better than it could have been.
Seal87
Seal87 - 8/4/2009, 2:28 AM
Giving him an illegitimate child totally wrecked the honor he stood for. And worse yet, he was a dead beat dad for 5 years. Then both him and Lois looked younger than ever before in what was supposed to take over for a 3rd movie. That is hard to get into. In comic books and even in Lois & Clark, they made a good background for Superman posterity, but they always get scared and reboot right when it starts to get interesting. A better thing to do, would be to stop calling former cannon a liar and build on it. Things don't have to change for the sake of ideas. There are plenty of places where stories were left hanging. They could retell old 50's episodes with better effects, and the comic book stories offer more than will ever be explored on screen. Even if you leave out the stupid ones.
LP4
LP4 - 9/30/2010, 1:53 PM
@Seal87- saying that by looking at the ideas for Superman films in the 90's, that this film somehow sucked less? That is a lame excuse for Superman Returns. Face it- the film TOTALLY SUCKED AND NEARLY REKILLED THE SUPERMAN FRANCHISE. There is no excuse for Bryan Singer being a total [frick]en PRICK and ignoring the comics and the fanboys and instead trying to SUCK on Richard Donner's DICK for that [frick]en discraceful film.
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