MAN OF STEEL Director Zack Snyder Says Superman Would Be "Fake" If He Hadn't Killed General Zod

MAN OF STEEL Director Zack Snyder Says Superman Would Be "Fake" If He Hadn't Killed General Zod

Man of Steel and Rebel Moon director Zack Snyder has again addressed his decision to have Superman kill General Zod in the 2013 movie, arguing that the hero would be "fake" had he not used lethal force.

By JoshWilding - Apr 23, 2024 03:04 PM EST
Filed Under: Man of Steel

Man of Steel was the action-packed Superman movie many fans wanted, but the final act proved to be massively controversial. Overpowered by General Zod, Metropolis was left a smouldering mess, with the hero unable - or unwilling - to save thousands of innocents. 

However, when the time came to rescue a family about to be obliterated by Zod's heat vision, Supes decided the only way to do so was by snapping the villain's neck, killing him in the process.

Needless to say, DC fans weren't happy. 

In the video below filmmaker Zack Snyder doubled down on his belief that not only did Superman have no other choice, but he also did the right thing by enforcing lethal justice on his fellow alien.

"He's not going to stop he wasn't going to negotiate an outcome, so it was either Zod or us," the director explains. "And that was pretty much the game. There was no like middle ground. Zod said he would fight until either you kill me or I kill you, that’s the game there’s no like and they’re like but why would you put Superman in that position?"

"I’m like, 'Well, if Superman can’t handle that position then he’s fake, then he’s not you got to like he’s got to address the scenarios that come to him he can’t pick and choose as you can’t pick and choose when something is outside of your morality.'"

Following the backlash to this scene, Snyder addressed some of those criticisms in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice by having the Dark Knight set out to kill the Kryptonian for his role in Metropolis' destruction. 

For what it's worth, Zod actor Michael Shannon agrees with Snyder's take. Last year, The Flash star said, "No, I didn't think there was any other way to end, it, really. I mean, Zod says it's either me or you. I'm not gonna let you survive. I will kill you, unless you kill me. And that seemed sufficiently Greek to me, you know?"

Nothing anyone says is likely to change any minds and this creative decision is likely to forever haunt Snyder. He's moved on from the DCEU now, of course, and is busy attempting to create his own Star Wars franchise with Rebel Moon (you can learn more about his unexpected director's cut plans by clicking here).

You can watch the full interview with Snyder in the player below.

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Colton
Colton - 4/23/2024, 3:45 PM
I'd watch anything with Michael Shannon in it.
VISIONaryNPa1
VISIONaryNPa1 - 4/23/2024, 3:50 PM
@Colton - a national treasure for sure.
Colton
Colton - 4/23/2024, 3:53 PM
@VISIONaryNPa1 - His version of The Grand Tour is amazing
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 4/23/2024, 4:41 PM
@Colton - Watched Bad Boys 2 recently. I had no idea that was him. He was playing one of the Klansmen
Colton
Colton - 4/23/2024, 4:51 PM
@DarthOmega - I had absolutely no idea he was in BB2
DarthOmega
DarthOmega - 4/23/2024, 4:56 PM
@Colton - He was the guy like "I know my rights" And Mike said "Why don't you exercise your right to stfu" lol
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/23/2024, 3:46 PM
Well , he is a fictional character but I get what he means…

I have a less of a problem with him being out in that position and more with the lack of follow through with it.

I personally do think Superman had no real choice in that scenario since no prison could hold Zod at that time and he wasn’t going to stop but aside from the anguished scream , we just cut to the aftermath and him seemingly being fine and joining the Daily Planet…

We should have had him really deal with it and thus come up with his own code if never taking a life again and always trying to find another way , maybe an additional scene or 2 would have helped.

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Steel86
Steel86 - 4/23/2024, 6:44 PM
@TheVisionary25 - 100% agree. This Supes is brand new and has no way of containing Zod safely for the public. Your ideas after are perfect and a scene or two playing up more that he had no choice also would've went a long way in helping the audience be more understanding. But the middle beats are one of Zack's worst qualities as an director. So much in his stories are assumed the audience knows and skips to the next moment.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/23/2024, 6:58 PM
@Steel86 - yep

The only thing I can think of is him trapping him in the ship which was basically his Fortress but idk if that would even be enough to contain him.
Steel86
Steel86 - 4/23/2024, 7:10 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Yeah the filmmakers didn't give him an out. Zod destroyed Jor-El's memory so Kal wouldn't have know what to do with him once he got him back to the ship. They could've written him a way not to kill him but they simply chose not to.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/23/2024, 6:04 PM
Callum Turner cast as the lead of Apple TV’s adaptation of William Gibson’s “Neuromancer”.

https://deadline.com/2024/04/callum-turner-cast-apple-tv-new-sci-fi-series-neuromancer-william-gibson-1235892950/
Astroman
Astroman - 4/23/2024, 9:25 PM
@TheVisionary25 - Didn’t even know they were doing Neuromancer, so thanks.The Sprawl Trilogy is excellent and there is virtually nothing cyberpunk or tech dystopia that wasn’t influenced by Gibson, or just ripped him off.
BeNice123
BeNice123 - 4/23/2024, 3:48 PM
Superman has been around longer than this guy. I guess you would obviously know what kind of an alien Superman would be. Zack Snyder. Go [frick] a goat Zack!!!
DudeGuy
DudeGuy - 4/23/2024, 4:01 PM
@BeNice123 - been reading the golden age Superman comics. Superman is literally threatening to kill business owners for not treating their workers properly.
Goldboink
Goldboink - 4/23/2024, 4:17 PM
@BeNice123 -
Sufficiently greeked
tylerzero
tylerzero - 4/23/2024, 5:52 PM
@BeNice123 -

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MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/23/2024, 6:23 PM
@tylerzero - I was about to look this up 😆 🤣 😂
BeNice123
BeNice123 - 4/23/2024, 6:26 PM
@tylerzero - nice 😂🤣😂
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/23/2024, 6:46 PM
@DudeGuy - Is this a real defense of this?
SteelGunZ
SteelGunZ - 4/24/2024, 11:39 AM
@DudeGuy - Are you serious with this? Threatening to kill and actually killing are the same thing?
PC04
PC04 - 4/23/2024, 3:50 PM
He could've ripped his eyes out I guess? Right?
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/23/2024, 8:42 PM
@PC04 - Ripped his eyes out and broke his spine. There.
PC04
PC04 - 4/24/2024, 8:33 AM
@dagenspear - We make a good writing team.
VISIONaryNPa1
VISIONaryNPa1 - 4/23/2024, 3:51 PM
He also could've tried to move the fight away from the city, or at least on the outskirts.
TheLight
TheLight - 4/23/2024, 5:40 PM
@VISIONaryNPa1 - He did try, as soon as Zod learned how to fly. But Zod fought him back.


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Steel86
Steel86 - 4/23/2024, 7:16 PM
@VISIONaryNPa1 - What happened isn't the biggest problem. The lack of explanation and showing Superman cared was. You'll see explanations given on comments but the filmmaker himself glossed over it or didn't tell the audience well enough what and why. We shouldn't have to peice together a fight scene like a murder mystery to understand it.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/23/2024, 8:05 PM
@TheLight - Debateable that that's what he's doing. I think there's no real drama in that fight either. It's just invincible people punching with little build on danger. If Zod had attacked humans and Clark was trying to pull him away, that would've been more interesting to me. And I think they may be talking about when he had him in a headlock.
Itwasme
Itwasme - 4/23/2024, 9:29 PM
@dagenspear - 100% right on this. The problem is they never set up his morality in the film prior so it would have been out of place. Hell, they purposefully removed that part as they had him told over and over not to save people.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/23/2024, 11:46 PM
@Itwasme - Which comment is this replying to?
Itwasme
Itwasme - 4/23/2024, 11:50 PM
@dagenspear - the one right above mine. "Debateable..."

Putting people in danger challenges Clark's morality. Problem is, the current movie doesn't establish what that morality is before that fight.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/24/2024, 12:12 AM
@Itwasme - Ah, thanks for explaining.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 4/24/2024, 12:52 AM
@Steel86 - “The lack of explanation and showing Superman cared was. You'll see explanations given on comments but the filmmaker himself glossed over it or didn't tell the audience well enough what and why. We shouldn't have“

That’s a good point.

I always figured Superman had no choice and was trying to do the right thing, but the director really left that to the imagination of the audience at times. I appreciated that, since I don’t need my hand held during moments like that. But also agree it would have amplified the scene to offer that in a more creative way.
Steel86
Steel86 - 4/24/2024, 3:15 AM
@JustAWaffle - Thank you. There are givens in any film but to have your hero, who isn't known for killing, kill the villain there should be more than a quick quote from Zod and a family weirdly stuck in a corner to get there. If Zod harped on it a bit more during they're fight would've been an easy way to get there.
elgaz
elgaz - 4/23/2024, 3:53 PM
I never had a problem with it. It goes against a lot of Superman lore, yes, but for a more gritty take on Superman than the 1970s ‘aw gee golly Miss Lane’ vibe, it fitted with the storyline. General Zod in this version was genetically engineered for a military role and we could see he was obviously intensely focused and singleminded. When he said that either him or Superman would have to die, he meant it.

You could argue that the Boy Scout superheroes who refuse to kill might arguably do more harm than good by continually letting the murderous criminals they catch live to kill another day.
Colton
Colton - 4/23/2024, 4:06 PM
@elgaz - Exactly.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/23/2024, 8:11 PM
@elgaz -
@Colton -

The needless edginess may be apart of the issue. It didn't fit with the story or character because it had no point for Clark as a character. I think it's edgy for the sake of it.

How is that doing more harm than good? I don't think that's how harm works. Isn't just the same harm as before? I think that's a nonsense argument. Similar with Batman It's basically asking superheroes to be dictators to me (hey kill our bad guys for us, instead of us doing it), which is silly. You can bet people would start taking massive issue with it if cops executed criminals in the street when they've already easily over powered them.
elgaz
elgaz - 4/24/2024, 5:56 AM
@dagenspear - It's not the same argument. In the moment, cops will use lethal force if they have to - if they perceive a threat to their lives or others. And Superman did that same thing in MOS; he perceived a lethal threat to not just the family cowering in the corner from Zod's heat vision, but to humanity as a whole. Zod had affirmed he was not going to be stopped or persuaded otherwise unless he died.

As to the whole morality argument? I know it's comics we're talking about and not real life, but let's pretend for a second there really was a Batman and there really was a murderous pyschopath called The Joker. And Batman kept catching him, and he kept getting released or escaped and killing people, and Batman would catch him again, and he would escape and kill again, and so on. Judging by the response of most people when real life terrorists, serial killers, rapists and murderers have been taken down by the authorities, I don't think too many people would judge Batman harshly if he just ended Joker once and for all.
dagenspear
dagenspear - 4/24/2024, 6:29 AM
@elgaz - "If they have to." The have to or not have to in these things is dictated by how it's written. Both Superman and Batman only have to if the movie puts them there. You suggested it was doing more harm than good by not murdering a villain they catch. And you did here as well. Just murdering a criminal when they're caught is what you're suggesting with the Joker thing. I'm not debating the morality of Superman killing Zod to rescue a family. I'm debating against writing it that way (for the needless, to me, edgy reasons and how that movie and those after it never develop it as having a point character wise) and against your suggestion that people should do that to villains they catch.

Only by LORD God's will, is the right and wrong of these things decided in real life though.
MasterMix
MasterMix - 4/23/2024, 3:53 PM
To me, it's not the fact that he had to kill, it's the fact that he was written into a corner and did it in an overly violent way.
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