EDITORIAL: Who Could Be The Villain In ANT-MAN?

no save him for avengers 2

who is the villain? how about...

Professor Newspaper..

or..

Sergeant Swatter!

no i got it!

Dr. Magnifying Glass!

Ant man is lame... Giant Man. Giant Man is where the money is. imagine a tiny man flying around on an ant during that final battle against the chitauri - ghey. Now imagine a [frick]ing 40 foot giant going toe-to-toe with a leviathan! Grabbing it by its tail and chucking it into the ocean before grabbing another and using it to smash the chitauri hordes. Yeah.. Way better than freakin ant-guy. what’s he going to do? Wait for cap to bury an alien up to his neck in the dirt then calls his legions to slowly bite the head until the alien dies? Cool. One down and it only took two guys and thousands of ants. I’m begging you marvel, PLEADING with you to keep ants out of Avengers movies. When you have characters like Black Panther, Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quick Silver i feel confident you can forget about the insect people. Ant Man will only get LESS people to go see the movie. Not more. Anyone who wants ant-man is going to see the avengers 2 no matter what because they are fans. But the mainstream audience who just went to go see it because it was the cool, hip thing to do might get turned off by a few ants fighting alongside gods and monsters.

I challenge anyone to lay out a scene that makes sense in which ant-man not only looks cool but is only equal grounds with Thor and Hulk.

Put hank in the movie, but not as Ant-Man, as Giant man. He's scientist who makes formulas that can make you grow tall or shrink down. He takes the growth formula and gives his wife the shrink formula and shield provides her with miniaturized weapons that she can wear and a flying apparatus that would give us the feel of the wasp. Boom. Best of both worlds with no lame insects. No audience member with common sense will ever think things they used to dominate as small children could ever pose a threat.

and dude im totally down for Ultron to be villain in something BEFORE Avengers (it worked for Loki) and im totaly down for Hank Pym to have his own movie. because i agree - Ultron rising up to power takes a major toll on Hank and it's a good journey to explore. I however
(might be committing fan blasphemy)would have no issue if they switch it over to Stark's biggest failure, sending him on a downward spiral that takes queues from Demon In A Bottle.

i do think they should detour from Thanos/Cosmic for Avengers 2. i do think they should use Ultron and the epilogue scene could be back in space with The Other saying Thanos, who sits proudly on his throne "The Ultron threat has been eliminated. proceed with the annihilation."

CBMM1@ ok i buy it. you see things i just can't when it comes to ant-man. but then my argument is - i just don't think thats worth taking away screen time from the other heroes we could be seeing instead.

valid? not valid?

brazilianbatman@ so then he's as big as the hulk? cuz thats about how big the frost giants were. and i just don't see that working either. we already have someone of that size on the team. why add another, weaker charcter like that with essentially no powers? if he's not absolutey HUGE then Hulk makes him irrelevant.

Personally, I think people don't give Pym's shrinking power enough credit. Mainly because it's really easy for writers to handle them poorly. However, with a little creativity, they could be used to great effect. In fact, I'd actually written a thing in the fan fiction section roughly a year or so ago (a short film script, intent on briefly establishing Ant-Man before The Avengers) that involved basically what Thanos005 suggested -- Ultron goes active in Pym's lab aboard the helicarrier, and Pym shrinks to climb inside and tear out its CPU.)

I do feel that introducing Ultron as the main villain in an Ant-Man solo film would be a bit much. But I think that if he's handled in the way that Loki was (i.e. As a character in a solo film who, towards the end, starts to become a villain, and then returns to face the Avengers once he's become an even bigger threat), it could work.

Also, on a side-note, I feel like Giant Man should be introduced in The Avengers sequel, not in his solo film. Imagine, if you will, Ultron going crazy, and the Avengers trying to contain him. Hank shows up to try and help, based on the fact that he built Ultron, and understands him better than anyone. The team is a bit hesitant to let him help in the actual fighting, because they don't see how the shrinking power he's famous for will help all that much. Through the course of the film, characters keep referring to him as "Ant-Man", and he keeps asking them to call him something else, be it "Hank", or "Doctor Pym", or what have you... just, directing them away from the term "Ant-Man". Then, towards the beginning of the climactic battle sequence, BAM, we get our sequel's "Hulk moment" (I'm, of course, referring to a moment that equals the sheer awesomeness of Bruce's second transformation, during the battle in the city) when Pym turns to team and says something to the effect of "There's a reason I asked you to stop calling me 'Ant-Man'." At which point, he activates his Pym particle belt-thing, and becomes a giant for the first time on-screen.

You've totally convinced me that Ultron is an essential choice for antagonist. Like you said, it worked with Loki. Avengers Assemble 2 will, more than likely, include Ultron. Phase 2 of the MCU starts off with nanotech-centric Iron Man 3, so I feel that this next step after "avenging Phil Coulson"-- is exploring cyborgs (aka resurrection?). Ultron will evolve, as Loki did, into an even more menacing force. And he doesn't have to die. They could use him over and over again in other movies like they're doing with Loki.

Also I say the villain should be a "champagne villain" like beloch from Raiders or even Jstin Hammer more of a suave corporate threat maybe with some muscle as a side villain like the nazs from raiders... jus make everything like raiders of the lost ark lol

I hope Pym turns into Yellowjacket by the time Avengers 2 rolls around. But as for a villain I'd say Erik Josten A.K.A. Atlas, with Ultron having a cameo at the end.

@Odin's beard, LMAO!!!

Ant Man Rogues Gallery:

- Ultron

- Egghead

- Klaw (though he's only been his foe in A:EMH, more a Black Panther villain)

- Monica Rppacini (brings in A.I.M)

- Mitch Carson (Eric O' Grady villain)

- Atlas (More an Avengers' foe, but has identical powers so...)

- A.I.M

- Alkhema (She-Ultron essentially)

- Whirlwind (notable for his Wasp obsession)

- Black Knight

- Colossus

- Dr. Nemesis

- Comrade X

- Voice

- Porcupine

Here we are, though as you can tell Ant Man doesn't have the most impressive rogues gallery...

Tainted87@ :( i do too have an imagination! lol. (Real quick - property damage?? who's paying? Disney. Stark. Asgard. It’s movie! lol i don't care about that! I want to see carnage! That’s why we go to the movies. To be able to escape and watch things and not care how many lawsuits will come out of it.) I don't dislike the fact that he can turn small but i do look down on the whole "communication with insects" a la aqua man with sea creatures. I'm all about the character of Hank Pym, think he's great. If you want to shrink him small go for it. MY problem with that is that he's not Captain America. He’s not black widow or Hawkeye. He’s not a soldier or a trained fighter. He’s a scientist. So he still maintains his human strength as an ant-size man right? So what's he going to do? Punch something in the face? You all saw Batman Returns, right? "Hey two-face! Show me how to punch a guy!" - That’s how i see that going. Thankful I’m not working for marvel? Then why didn't marvel put ant-man and wasp in the avengers? Because they know as well as i do that it's very hard to get a mainstream audience to accept that along with all of the other things they're asking them to accept. It could have been just as easy to do a Pym cameo over Hawkeye in Thor but they didn't take that route for a reason.

sikwon@ exactly. It all just comes down to personal preference.

CBMM@ agreed. People DID make that same argument for Hawkeye and Widow. Honestly tho i was not one of those people so that’s all i can say on that. They're trained killers as opposed to Pym being a scientist. Plus an archer is such a cool symbol/archetype. It always has been. which is why i argue for Giant Man over Ant Man. it just seems so much more classic to me, giants have always been cool and always been part of tall tales and fables. Giants, Gods, Monsters, Soldiers, Knights, Kings, Aliens, Sorcerers **(= Giant Man [big IF], Thor, Loki, Cap, Hawkeye, Widow, Iron Man, Thor, Black Panther [IF], Captain Marvel [IF], Chitauri, Thanos, Doc Strange [IF])** are all just cool symbols to me that belong in stories like this. Throw in a Pixie/Fairy (=The Wasp) and you've got all of these classic archetypes in this modern day setting, a setting that, TO ME, doesn't fit in with insect culture. Maybe I’m missing something... which i'll be happy to concede as you know. And yeah you can't do Hank without Janet. If you have one you've got to have both! Which is, in my opinion, actually the best way to do it, you get the visuals of the small and big in the same movie.

Marknjoanna@ Black Panther!! haha. But yeah even Doc Strange over Ant Man

Brazilianbatman@ BIGGER!! haha. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Because i do want him Godzilla sized. I don't think we've had something like that in a movie for a while. And i only said 40 feet. Which is realistically only 4 stories tall, meaning he wouldn't really be towering over any of the buildings we saw in avengers so imho i think it could work.

Thanos005@ yeah there should absolutely be some connection between Ultron and Wakanda's Vibrainium. Whether it’s through hank or klaw or just ultron trying to get it himself.

KID WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS

Well, you know Giant-Man goes tall obviously, but he also shrinks to. Would it be hard to in the movie just have him as Ant-Man that can shrink, grow tall and control ants? Thats how they should do it in my opinion.

I agree with your article Ultron should be a villian in the Ant-Man movie, But he shouldn't die in it. He should make a return in the Avengers 2, but much more powerful than before.

Egghead