Marvel Creative Committee Nixed IRON MAN 2 Scene With A Drunk Tony Stark Hitting Pepper Potts

Marvel Creative Committee Nixed IRON MAN 2 Scene With A Drunk Tony Stark Hitting Pepper Potts

More details have emerged about the Marvel Creative Committee's role in Marvel Studios' formative years, and it appears we can blame them for what many felt was a watered version of "Demon in the Bottle."

By JoshWilding - Aug 31, 2023 09:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Iron Man 2
Source: Bleeding Cool

The Marvel Creative Committee was created by former Marvel Entertainment CEO Ike Perlmutter, with the idea being that they'd be there to ensure any future adaptations would remain true to the brand (and, thereby, the comic books). 

Bleeding Cool has transcribed a number of excerpts from The Wall Street Journal's podcast, The Journal, and in that, reporter Ben Fritz explains the true reason for its formation was to essentially keep an eye on Hollywood executives. 

Money ultimately proved to be a sticking point, with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige essentially having to ask comic book writers to increase the budgets of movies being developed. However, creative decisions were also scrutinised by a group whose continued interference is widely believed to have prompted Feige to push Disney CEO Bob Iger to make Marvel Studios a separate entity. 

According to Fritz, "during the production of Iron Man 2, members of the Creative Committee hated how Iron Man acted when he was drunk, including a moment when he pees in his suit. That scene stayed in the movie, but the Committee convinced Feige to trim some dialogue they thought made Iron Man seem cruel."

The site goes on to reveal that there was even a scene with a drunk Tony Stark hitting Pepper Potts in a moment of frustration. However, the Creative Committee members believed it was a step too far and pointed to Hank Pym striking Janet Van Dyne as an example of how hard something like that is for a character to come back from.

Comic book writer Brian Michael Bendis didn't comment on what many feel was the watering down of "Demon in the Bottle," but suggests Perlmutter may have ultimately used the group as a means of spiting Feige. 

"I do feel that the Creative Committee was a tool that was being used to help and that eventually, slowly, over time, it was being used as a tool to be antagonistic on some level. Again, it never happened in front of me, but I do know it went from a tool everyone was happy with to a tool that was frustrating people."

This ultimately led to a clash over Captain America: Civil War which saw Marvel Studios freed from Perlmutter's oversight when he refused to pay Robert Downey Jr. the sum needed to get the actor back as Iron Man. 

The movie would go on to gross over $1.1 billion at the worldwide box office.

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Clintthahamster
Clintthahamster - 8/31/2023, 9:29 AM
Good.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 8/31/2023, 9:33 AM
@WhatIfRickJames - Which is weird since Peter Parker did worse to Mary Jane.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 8/31/2023, 9:34 AM
@Reeds2Much - yeah, weird how that turned out
newhire13
newhire13 - 8/31/2023, 5:31 PM
@Reeds2Much - It was actually unsettling hearing the amount of people who cheered during the scene in Spider-Man 3 where he hits her.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 8/31/2023, 9:34 AM
Wise decision. No need to glorify domestic violence in a CBM.
Feralwookiee
Feralwookiee - 8/31/2023, 9:35 AM
Wait...
They shot down an opportunity for fans to see Gwenth Paltrow get backhanded?



🤣
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 8/31/2023, 9:37 AM
That would have been awful. And I'm glad they didn't get into the domestic abuse with Hank Pym either. Was worried they'd incorporate it since Hank was a side character in the MCU. Some scenes may have alluded to it, but not really.

Would have liked to see Tony battle his alcoholism more. It was pretty significant in the comics and could have made for some compelling character development instead of it just being a "he got drunk" in Iron Man 2.
mountainman
mountainman - 8/31/2023, 10:44 AM
@SummersEssex - They could have carried the alcoholism into the third movie too. Most people that struggle with it do so for a long period of time. And it would have fit into his PTSD in that movie.
soupysales
soupysales - 8/31/2023, 4:48 PM
@mountainman - alcoholism is a disease, like diabetes...it is never cured...i honestly can't see a big, blockbuster doing more than having him get drunk in one movie...in the comics, he is an alcoholic (if i'm not mistaken)...the ptsd would excacerbate it, but didn't cause it...maybe doing it in a tv show would have been easier to flesh out
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 8/31/2023, 9:43 AM
Marvel Studios should've nixed this entire movie's script as well as its awful sequel/threequel. I dunno about the context, but from what I understand, the movie would stay the same, but would have some darker moments in places. Key word ''moments''. If the movie stayed the same tone-wise and plot-wise, aka just a generic comedy action flick that doesn't do anything with its characters, yeah, I suppose having moments as described would create some tonal whiplash (ha-ha, get it????). So yeah, I couldn't care if it was nixed. Much like with the movie that followed it, it wants to be anything but a good adaptation of its source material. Honestly, if it wasn't for The Avengers movies, Stark would be such a lame character judging by his ''trilogy''. I mean, you've got one movie where he has an actual emotional arc, then you get two other movies where he [frick]s around a bunch and doesn't change or face real threats that challenge him the same way we saw it in the first movie.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 8/31/2023, 9:45 AM
Hank Pym suffers eternally for an artist's error.
Origame
Origame - 8/31/2023, 9:53 AM
@Reeds2Much - I think it's also partially how sensitive people have gotten over seeing violence against women in media. Just anything bad happening to a woman, regardless of context and what the film is actually trying to say, is considered bad by a very vocal minority.

Quite frankly, if you don't want bad things to happen to women in media, don't insist on putting them in media. Being hit, struggle, or killed is where drama comes from. Otherwise, you get rey palpatine.
Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 8/31/2023, 9:56 AM
@Origame - how sensitive people have gotten

Nah, Pym has been treated as a wife beater since 1981. Ain't new.
Origame
Origame - 8/31/2023, 9:58 AM
@Reeds2Much - yeah, but it's clearly gotten worse.

We had x men apocalypse and it's billboard criticized for showing a villain strangling a hero ffs.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 8/31/2023, 11:58 AM
@Reeds2Much - Agreed, a completely unintentional character assassination that resulted in not one but TWO original Avengers being cut from the cinematic team's first movie.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 8/31/2023, 10:09 AM
In the early 1980s, it was considered cutting edge stuff to do stories of alcoholism. TV shows were doing it to win awards. Some jackass at Marvel decided to jump on the bandwagon with Stark becoming an alcoholic. Using that old gimmick and having Stark hit Pepper would've been a big mistake.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 8/31/2023, 10:14 AM
@PartyKiller - First of all, dipshit, it was suggested in the late 70s comics that Stark is an alcoholic. Second of all, that ''jackass'', I assume you mean Bob Layton, came up with a character flaw to make the character more relatable as his previous flaw, weak heart, has been cured since the early 70s. And it made total sense for a character like him to become an alcoholic. He was a rich playboy(Dennis O'Neil later dealt with that, too), so you can't create many personal obstacles for such a character that would come from within. Third of all, making Iron Man 2 a shitty action comedy and doing the same but worse for Iron Man 3 was a mistake, not actual fans and wrtiers of Iron Man creating interesting character flaws.
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 9/7/2023, 9:20 AM
@URCOMMENTSUCKS - You must be the dumbest person to ever post here. And that is saying something considering the likes of AlphaDecima/MisterSuperior & Snyderbot.

You [frick]ing imbecile! Late 1970s, early 1980s. Do you consider that to be two very different eras? Alcoholic episodes on TV shows were very common in the late 70s and early 80s and were considered cutting edge. Crappy TV series were winning Emmys from it. Daytime soaps were doing it. The Incredible Hulk TV show had multiple episodes about addiction.

And you...being a total moron, totally miss the point. Those stories are not cutting edge now. They are old news. The gimmick doesn't work anymore because it's not new or shocking.

And by the way, Stark wasn't made more relatable by the Demon In A Bottle funnybook. Iron Man was a D-lister until RDJ played him.

Not sure why you started blathering about Iron Man 3. But you, being the dumbest person to ever post here, did not even notice the many character flaws of Stark displayed throughout his existence in the MCU. He actually caused Age Of Ultron. Caused the MCU Civil War. Got people hurt. Tried to kill Bucky.

Maybe it's you who need to sober up and pay attention to the movies you watch. But for now...beat it kid. You bore me.
URCOMMENTSUCKS
URCOMMENTSUCKS - 9/11/2023, 5:34 AM
@PartyKiller - Kellum, if you have multiple sock accounts on the same site, at least have decency to use one of them at the time, instead of replying from them both and not even bothering to change the gargabe you spew, [frick]ing psycho.

[frick] off with your Snyder whataboutisms. This is an article about how the MCU have [frick]ed up Iron Man and his greatest stories. I know you suck off any garbage the MCU puts out, but you're not a comic-book fan; you're a snyder hate dickrider, so your priorities are somewhere else.

Nobody gives a shit about your fanfic explanations. I know what I heard when Bob Layton himself told me that he wanted to give Stark a weakness after his heart got healed during Archie Goodwin's run, so he and Michelini thought that alcoholism was a safe bet, since what else would make a famous rich guy go from hero to zero. Drugs obviously were off-limits, so they couldn't do that (plus it wouldn't be in character).

That was no a gimmick. Otherwise Peter Parker being (or used to being) poor was a gimmick.

Iron Man had his own comic that ran since 1968 till the movie with Downey Jr., was part of the most famous crossover team in Marvel Comics, and took part in almost every famous story event one can think in Marvel Comics, as well as had his own cartoon show that ran for two seasons and was consistently featured in video games (even in those where he wasn't part of the team; X-Men Legends II). Mother[frick]er, facts don't care about your feelings, and the facts are sayign that you're full of shit. And only casual losers who hate comics use this ''ABCDFG'' crap to grade characters like they're some product in a grocery store. A great character is a great character, dipshit.

Say... Mother[frick]er, you might wanna check the sales for your favorite Wonder Woman, whom you claim to be iconic and important, since her sales were never as good as Iron Man's in spite of him not having his own show.

Iron Man 3 was garbage that shat all over the comics and character assassinated Stark. You like that POS movie, yet you shit on everything DC movies do, even the great ones. You're a hypocrite with a bias.

The only real flaw I've noticted with the MCU Stark is that with each movie it became clear it's just Downey playing himself instead of attempting to do the character.

Now go read Mein Kampf, your favorite childhood book, psycho.
99OPTIMISTPRIME
99OPTIMISTPRIME - 8/31/2023, 10:10 AM
I feel like RDJ would've vetoed that scene anyway, before filming. Tony Stark's likability in the first Iron Man movie, was literally the foundation of the MCU's success. Imagine had that been ruined in the sequel.🤯 As if people didn't have enough issues with that movie.🤣
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 8/31/2023, 10:27 AM
I don’t hate that they got rid of this… Tony Stark has done some shit things but seeing him hit Pepper would go to far on-screen. Not sure the MCU is interested in anti-heroes or even pronouncing their protagonists flaws - something Snyder leaned way too heavily into.

The birthday party scene is really bad without him hitting Pepper, tho.
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